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GregFL:
This is all so interesting (except of course the few who respond with childish statements).

The thing that interests me the most is the connection that the ring has with the seed. I am the moderator of the Seed discussion forum and was in the Seed St. Pete in 1973.

Some of you may know that the Seed was founded in 1970 as a juvenile drug abuse center in Florida, far away from Elan. However, The Seed used many similar techniques and thought reform tactics as Elan did.

Here is the clincher. The seed opened a branch in Ohio that Used the ring. The other branches did not to my knowledge. A friend who experienced the ring in the seed described it as terrifying and said art barker really got off on it.

So, my question is this, and I don't think the answer is here.  There is obviously a thread tying all these programs together.  What was it and why did Art Barker all of a sudden start using "the ring" in 1973? I don't think these places spontaneously thought this brutal shit up on their own....


There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir

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Anonymous:
hmm ,, i always thought was a tree,, synanon begat daytop and the seed,, elan sprong from daytop and straight sprung from the seed,,ya kno,, teach a man to control his mind and you save his life,, teach a man how to  control other minds and he goes off and starts his own theraputic community. im positive you can follow the trail to the recent place in the news ,, in south america,, that got closed for abuse

GregFL:
unfortunately you can't. Art barker has disavowed any connection to the synanon. I have been trying unsucessfully to link him....

There are just two many similarities between these programs...including the topic of this thread  "the ring".




We need cops.

We can't live without 'em.

But they need to start working for us....

That's no longer an option.

They've pushed it.

They've gone to far.

They've just gone to far.
Tom Crosslin
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Matt C. Hoffman:
you all had the ring in other programs ?

which other programs used the ring ?

Did any one die in the ring like what happened to Phil, in those other programs .

Blows my mind a weakened blood vessels in the brain (anuerysm) can be made to rupture from a blow to to the head .

It seems that a person experiencing an anuerysm also experiences serious headaches . In my opinion it seems that elan thought that instead of giving medical assistance ,it instead thought it could beat those headaches right out of Phils
head .

Maybe some one should "ask a nurse "if this is the prefered method of treatment for headaches . Or if ther is another more accepted and humane form of treatment ? Like going to see a doctor .

Just wordering and also wondering if this is how your kid could be treated ,why as a parent would you subject them to this kinda lunacy . Ah my bad it was the state o Maine that was Phils  guardians .

Maybe some one should ask the medical association of the state of
maine if this is the prefered and optimum treatment plan for kids with severe headaches .

I must say it does go against any thing I was taught (in college in my anatomy and physiology class) maybe it was something taught on a day  tha I missed. I did get a B in that class though!

Matt

Anonymous:
I have never been in a ring, but I have seen plenty. I was there in 1996 to 1999, so the ring was not used unless people were violent, and when the staff didn't like a student, they would invoke that destruction of Elan property would call for a ring. There was one case: one kid spit on walls. he weighed about 140 lbs, and was put in with a guy who weighed about 200, who broke his nose. They even violated their own rules, and many students were appalled. I think this incident turned a lot of students against the program.
Many of the other students were less sympathetic cases
There was a young Jewish boy from Canada (his parents are rich, so I don't want to get sued) who was always in the corner, Coz was on his SP, he's the kid who jerked off on people. The strength in his ring obviously enjoyed themselves, because they were on his SP a lot. There were some violent female corner people, but I was not allowed to be on their SPs because the staff thought I was too short-tempered. One time I almost beat up Jenn Ferro, but someone came between us before any punches were thrown.
I avoided violence there only to stay out of the ring, but that doesn't mean that I would avoid violence with the people I have in mind out in the real world, fortunately for them, they do not live in New England. I found out that my parents were lied to about the ring; at least my father was. I think my mother would have signed for a ring if it was necessary, Elan mainly dealt with her because they had brainwashed her more successfully than most of the students. She was commenting to him about all the Jaguars that the staff had, and she didn't see a problem with it, but he did. That was about the time that he wanted me out, but the staff had brainwashed my mother into thinking that he was insane, so I stayed there longer, about a year and a half longer. Elan would have encouraged my mother to divorce my father if it would have helped them keep me there longer, there is nothing they won't do for more money.

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