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GregFL:
Nor will I speak for you, but things we have in common I think we both should be open to each other.
Again my friend, tell us about all those dead bodies.
Just so you know, I got a few. Some of my old friends, Dale Long for one, that did not go to the Seed, died of drug overdoses or suspiciously.
The funny thing most of my people dead, or my bodies if you will, are all seedlings.
Go figure...
"Yes, He'll be ok...he died"
Mother of a seedling upon answering her front door for another seedling who stopped by to pick him up to go to group. The mother explained that he wouldn't be going to group, that Jimmy went around to the side of the house and shot himself earlier that day.
Source, former seedling "Surdal", the SDF
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-25 18:22 ]
GregFL:
And covering another leg of this wobbly three legged stool, what about in jail?
I know of one Seed graduate on death row right now and he tried to use the abuse he endured in the Seed as a death row appeal.
Here is an excerpt from the courts ruling (which denied Jason Walton a new trial)
"evidence was also introduced which revealed that Walton had abused drugs as an adolescent and teenager, and had been enrolled in a radical therapy program which likely left him severly emotionally scarred, but which had not halted his continued abuse of illegal drugs."
I guess he ended up deadinsaneorINJAIL in spite of being a seed graduate, eh? Also emotionally scarred and on drugs according to the appeal judge that reviewed the evidence.
This shit is just too out there to make up.
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-25 18:21 ]
Antigen:
Rjfro22, when you were done and left, did you stay in touch w/ other Seedlings?
The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"
--Anonymous
--- End quote ---
rjfro22:
just to name a few of my friends that have died
that never sought out help: Connie, Tom, Flo, Carman and her brother Ron, Brian, Patty, Arthur, Kenny, Coco and Victor. My own family,
my two sisters and brother suffer heavy disabilities from years of drug use. My question is what did the Seed do to drive someone to kill themselves, I honestly don't remember anyone killing themselves or at least because of the Seed. If the seed came to my door to get me and I really did not want ot go, I would have taken off, If my choice was suicide or getting loaded, I would have gotten loaded . The Seed was only a few months out of our lives, Are you trying to tell me most of your friends commited suicide because of the Seed. I hear you but I can't by that,.
GregFL:
I don't know their mind set when they committed suicide. In fact, I was out of touch with most if not all of them at the time..
My points that you are missing.
we were told that we would be deadinsaneorinjail without the Seed. Supporters constantly point to their own lives as PROOF of this, including you.
I submit to you that you are just parroting the Seed mantra and that you really don't know the path your life would have taken without the Seed. Would you have died? Maybe. Become rich and famous? Maybe. This is a mystery.
My next point, for every person you can name dead or stunted or harmed because they didn't get treatment, someone can counter with a dead guy, emotionally scarred or drug addicted graduate. The 90 percent success rate was nothing but a lie. It never existed
Many people that were graduates died of drugs and or other things or ended up in jail. I submit this as evidence that the seed wasn't the thing that saved people from this outcome and if it was so powerfull, that you must attribute all outcomes post seed, including those harmed.
Studies from the 70s and reports from Pyschologists confirm that people leaving the Seed were doing so in states of emotional and psychological harm. And I will tell you from first person and from multiple conversations with many people that very very many people felt alone, inadequate, full of despair, and had suicidal thoughts post seed. We were told we were powerless if we rejected the Seed, and for those of us that rejected it, we paid a emotional price which was varied and unique to each of us.
More quotes for you.....
"if any credence is to be given to the observations of the national, state and local experts, then the serious possibility exists that those who complete The Seed may return to drug use or develop other serious psychological, emotional or behavioral difficulties"
From the House congressional committee staff report.
And if this was really happening, Art Barker with his immense love for his Seedlings, must have immediately reacted. You suppose?
"The man is a liar and a fool."
"The psychiatrists can't do a damn thing with kids on drugs"
Speaking of Dr. Raymond Killinger, a Ft lauderdale psychiatrists who claimed to be treating "an increasing number" of children who entered psychiatric hospitals after being harmed by the Seed.
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-25 19:06 ]
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