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Antigen:
Are you joking? Art constantly said The Seed was for everyone! I remember all the talk of taking over the world.
Sunds like you were young and impressionable and got taken in by a smooth operator. But don't give him credit for saving your life. You did that.
Patient memoirs are a kind of protest literature like slave narratives or witness testimonies.
G.A.Hornstein
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GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2004-09-25 11:17:00, rjfro22 wrote:
"Antigen,
In the Seed we were all pretty much equal. ."
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If there ever was a multi tiered unequal system, it was this cult.
First, there was Art Barker..Hero worshipped as the savior and you were lucky if he even smiled at you.
Then there was his spouse, which most of us didn't even know but somehow we reverred her as almost a saint.
Then certain staff members, John, Suzie, Libby, were almost non approachable by the inductees.
Next were the second tier senior staffers.
Then came the Junior staffers.
Next, Oldtimers. My how they were so much more seedlike (at least the ones hanging around).
Then, the oldcomers with juice...the guys that had been in jail or actual addicts. They were looked up to and called on so much more.
Then the oldcomers almost off their program that got to sit in the back row.
Then of course, the guys tough enough to pull guard duty. They were certainly more equal than the pussys that couldn't.
then olcomers in general.
Next, those guys that had earned the right to go home.
Then those guys that no longer had to public confess.
All the way to the very unequal guys on the front row.
All equal in the Seed?
Hardly.
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-25 17:37 ]
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2004-09-25 17:12:00, Antigen wrote:
Sunds like you were young and impressionable and got taken in by a smooth operator.
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All the way to repeating Art's ever popular program mantra 30 years later, that he would be deadinsaneorinjail (or the shortened version..it saved my life)
and then we find out he just was wayward like most people are at some point in their life.
RJFR, where are all those bodies Ginger alluded to? Are all your old friends really dead or in jail?
That would be highly unusual to say the least, but we almost always hear that, at least initially, from people who support the program.
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-25 17:55 ]
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2004-09-25 17:12:00, Antigen wrote:
"Are you joking? Art constantly said The Seed was for everyone! I remember all the talk of taking over the world.
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We had 10 year olds that were barely 80 pounds standing up and relating about how they would have eventually been heroin addicts because they had druggie additudes and how the seed had "Saved their lives", and they were so small and meek you could barely hear them talk. I even had one such little guy, about 12, as a newcomer.
It was criminal to lock down these little children.
Here is Art's take on his vision of How the seed was for everybody...
"I don't mean to just stop with a Seed in Pinellas. That might be the community which would be the right place for another dream I have. I can see a university type of complex with young people trained there who have come from all over the country to take the program back to their own communities. After Pinellas, we'll be getting a Seed going in Jacksonville. Then there will be no Flordia area uncovered....I see Seeds all over the country"
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-25 17:35 ]
rjfro22:
I really never took that talk to serious Art was a bit of a dreamer , my issues were saving my life. I left the Seed After I did my time and went on to do what I needed, I made some mistakes But rebounded and looking back with some fond memories and making long team friends I feel grateful for having been a part of the program. I never let or felt like any one brain washed me, I was a street wise kid when I went into the Seed. Like I always said , I knew what the Seed had to offer me ,and what I felt like I did not need, I deleted it. If you came from were I come from you would have seen the Seed as a blessing..
My goal was to live , and there were plenty of people like me that needed what they offered,
if you want to make more out of it then that, go ahead. It really was very simple. You have a different story then me, and I won't speak for you.
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