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rjfro22:
Antigen,
Summer of love? I was not talking about the summer of love, i was talking about
sex , drugs rock and roll the begining of the seventies, more extreme more dangerous and kids a lot younger. Drugs in your face everywhere, it was expected of you by fellow peers. Many of the kids in the Seed did have drug problems , and maybe just in the begining stages, some were saved and some were'nt and some went on to find that recreational use was no problem for them. So little was known about drugs then. But it was real , Yes there were good kids that tried things a couple of times and got caught, but over all most kids in the Seed at the time were there because they needed to be there through the courts or whatever . I am simply stating what
I experienced around me, I was there. Does anybody remember ? I would like to state that I was not addicted to anything, I simply could not say no to what was in my face and reality was something I could not deal with at that time. I believe many kids had that problem as well, drugs were Epidemic.
Antigen:
RJ, that's as common a story among former Seedlings as others. You really sound to me like you were a pretty typical, aimless teenager.
At one point, one of my brothers' friends took an appartment @ Hidden Harbour. Immediately, that became the community drug den. I remember being there with my brother one day when he stopped by when he was babysitting me. Next thing ya' know, the girl can't pay her rent, neither can anyone else, so the appartment goes away.
The girl wound up moving into our spare bedroom. She babysat me and other kids while working her way through college. She, thankfully, didn't get shanghied into The Seed but, instead, completed college and went on to be a teacher.
I can understand how something like The Seed would be very attractive to you. A lot of the popular cults of the day focused almost entirely on disenchanted or otherwise vulnerable young adults. When I was on front row, I remember thinking I'd no longer be such an outsider. Everybody had to love and accept me w/o question. It was a rule. (This, of course, was after around 6 hours of harsh browbeating in the intake 'interview')
But there are and were far better ways to find direction in life.
Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission
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rjfro22:
Antigen,
Yes I was typical for that time period. aimless and hopless.
Please do me a favor and tell me what other choices there was for a poor boy or from a working family, Please don't say the service ..
The Seed was there and some how I found it.
I never felt brain washed , Yes I felt like I had to do it there way and I have been "come down on' sometimes when I deserved it and other times I could have use a little compassion.
It was what it was . I got through it.That little guy from Brooklyn (Art} saved my life and I am forever grateful. The Seed was just a stepping stone for me, and believe me I know it wasn't for everyone, But chalk it up and move on.
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Antigen:
Oh, there were plenty of other choices! What did everyone else do who didn't go into The Seed? If you still believe they all died of syphilis and drug overdose like Art said they would, then you haven't checked.
Some got jobs, some went hiking, some threw themselves into religion. Remember the Green Room and Agape? Those were fairly strange groups, too, but at least they only met a few times a week and didn't prohibit communication w/ family and friends. But most just simply quit the excessive partying and got back to whatever they were doing. That's what usually happens.
Same thing was going on, btw, 15 years later when I met my husband. Our primary entertainment, broke as we were, was to go to the neighborhood party house just to see what happened next. All kinds of craziness going on there. All kinds of drugs and even a couple of aspiring rock stars.
But people grew out of it. By the time I met him, my husband had already quit all drugs but pot and beer after a bad experience w/ belladona. He was 18 then. But his friends were still his friends and some of them are still friends to this day. They all grew up, settled down, got jobs and spouses and kids (not necessarily in that order).
The little guy from Brooklyn didn't save your life, friend. You did that. He just stood there and took credit.
The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
O'Brien, the apparatchik
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rjfro22:
Antigen,
No one said the Seed was for everyone, And yes many people grew up and did just fine, The Seed was a small dot in the scheme of things, Those other choices you mentioned I never heard of, They sound more like adult programs . Again you were to 5 or 6 years old when I was in the Seed, it was very different then. I am here to tell you from where I came from, I couldn't see the choices, I was pretty much on my own from 14 to 18, I didn't just pick up a telephone book and have the luxury of picking a place.
I think you are putting an adult spin on this, We were confused teens at the time. at the time I went in, I was at rock bottom and Art ( The Seed) took me in and gave me some simple steps to follows some tough love and some things that I didn't agree with, And on that note I believe had that not happened, I wouldn't have made it. . That was my experience. WE can only speak from our own eyes. I believe there were many people that did not belong there, but that was because of thier parents, and partly because of the times, like I said it was a relativly a new problem (drugs), and people really did believe that weed leads to harder drugs, which by the way was true for many of us, So of course parents who discovered pot or pills on their children over- reacted. and sent them to the Seed. No one really knew back then. I personally found high school to be cultist , mean spirited , the have 's and the have not's people impossing some real meanless garbage on me, I could go on about what a horror high school was, so I just didn't go regardless of the law and what my mother thought. In the Seed we were all pretty much equal. .
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