Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
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Antigen:
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Anti, this was the question: According to you theroy a 15 year old can be ready for the real world. If that is true then why not let a two year old play with a dangrous object (not ever siccors, something they might sallow, burn them selfs on ect) would they not "learn" from it? Cuz, if a 15 year old can face the world then why cant a two year old be ready to play with siccors?
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Let me explain something to ya', kid. Plenty of 40 year olds are not ready for the real world. That's why we have religion and Prozac.
But a 15 year old is better able to make sound decisions than a 2 year old, even if their parents disagree.
What's more, a 15 year old who has decided that they're just not going to take direction from their parents is just not going to take direction from their parents, period. You can overpower the two year old safely and take the scisors. And, since they need you to do the simplest things, like acquiring and cooking food, they'll recognize your authority even if they don't like it.
That's just not true of a 15 year old kid. For all intents and purposes, they don't really need parents to survive. Some parents have a harder time w/ this than others.
Now, we all know that one can force a nearly adult kid to comply w/ parental wishes. What you don't seem to understand is the consequences to the kid and the family of breaking them in order to 'improve' their behavior.
--- Quote ---Is doing drugs, running away, having underage sex, being in gangs, stealing, lieing ect, being a "mature" and "intelligent"?
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In our society? Yes, those are some of our rights of passage. Rebelling against authority, by whatever means, is a natural part of growing up.
Men seldom, or rather never for a length of time, and deliberately, rebel against anything that does not deserve rebelling against.
--Thomas Carlyle
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Ottawa2:
So, 40 year olds cant handle the real world and the way to solve that problem is to let kids get hoocked on drugs and have babies at 16? Or, to let them live on the street so they can get raped and murdered? You know lets just play "the-stongest-survive" game with kids.
So all of that is a "right of passage"? So, should we be happy about it?
Sure I know that kids rebaling agaist thier parents is natural but it is also natural that a parent should stop that child where it endangers the childs (or others) life.
I know that most people on this site think that I site here like a lap dog and do whatever my mother tells me to trust me that is not the case. All of my mothers children have rebaled agaist her in some way. My brother was the only who endagrered his life while doing so. So, my parents stop him. Eventually sending him to CEDU after they had tried everthing else.
Look Im just trying to understand you theroy about raising kids. So far it sound like a soon a they reach 13 they can do whatever the hell they want with absolutly no parent intervention of any kind under any circumstanse.
:wave: [ This Message was edited by: Ottawa2 on 2004-09-05 08:17 ][ This Message was edited by: Ottawa2 on 2004-09-05 08:20 ]
Antigen:
You're being so obtuse. 40 year olds (and older people) don't always know what's best. So there should be a limit to what they can do to their kids in the name of helping them.
You say, like I've heard so many times before, you know your brother would be dead w/o the Program. And that you know he's better off now. But you don't really know that. As dangerous as you think 'living on the streets' (in Ottowa????) may be, I'm telling you, from experience and from talking w/ others over the years who share the same experience, that Synanon based programs hold dangers of their own.
Ask you mom how frequently she finds herself trying to talk one of her old friends out of suicide. Or, worse, finding out after the fact because they really meant it and didn't leave a lot of clues hanging around. So many of my friends are Program vets, it happens more often than I'd like to think about.
I'm talking about long term, serious emotional and psychological damage for which there is no known effective treatment. You're talking about the transient exuberance of youth which passes, all by itself, you just have to wait a couple of years.
Janis, Jimi, Gery, Timothy... Did you HAVE to get so close to the edge to get a really good view?
-- Anonymous
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Ottawa2:
But if a 15 year old is better at making a decision then a 2 year old then would not a 40 year old be better at making a decision then a 15 year old?
And yes my brother would be dead, in jail, or on the streets (but you do not think thats a bad thing do you?) if it were not for CEDU.
I must say it suprises me that there are parent out there that are happy when there kids are druggies, criminals, or anything else that you lable a "phase" that "will pass". Tell me then what happens when it dose not pass?
Funny, you sound a lot like the parents of that kid that died in the car crash we told you about. They used that (as my mother put it) "boys will be boys" theroy and now unfortunatly their child is dead.
As for suicid, no one I know of who has gone throught the program has ever tried anything like that.
Also, who said we live in Ottawa??? :wave:
Antigen:
O2, you're an idiot or your being purposely obtuse. Maybe both. Either way, I don't have time for this. I'm done talking to you.
I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole
--Malcolm X
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