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Hello
Dantari:
Hmm guess it turns out Im really in the wrong place. I had thought this was a spot for where old friends were just saying hello. Turns out this is where all the losers, misfits and fuck-ups ended up.
I dont think Ive ever seen anyone with such a big axe to grid as yourself Greg. I had always wondered where the people went to who couldnt make it at the seed. Guess now I know. Hope you manage to find some treatment somehere.
Ciao.
Filobeddoe:
Hello GregFL,
I am not in disagreement with any of your points. I know people who were screwed up as teens (my old "druggie" friend) & eventually got their stuff together & are great people (without The Seed).
Then there are alot who didn't get help & died or are still living self destructive lives now.
I had two best friends from the Seed. One of them was older than me (let's call him Rick) & graduated a year before. When we would hang out with 4 or 6 guys fishing, camping what have you... he was the leader, the funny one, the guy who was the happiest that had his shit together & we all liked him & looked up to him. He was going places! I found out a couple yrs after we drifted apart that he dropped out of college & was doing hard drugs & on the run from the law. To this day I don't know what happened to him. He may well have died with a needle in his arm??
My other friend was from a very religious family who had done alot of missionary work (Steve) who wasn't listening to his parents & was sent to the Seed to straighten him out. He was also a really neat kid and good friend! Anyway, he graduated the program & the path his life took was in the opposite direction. He went to a bible college & is now married & happily serving God as a missionary.
Can we give the Seed the credit or the blame? I really don't know... probably not.
My "personal" opinion is that God (a higher power than the Seed) was in control. If we turn TO him we do better than if we turn AWAY from him. I realize that this is grossly over-simplified however true in my case.
Your point about a person getting help? from the Seed at a juncture where they are self destructive and hurting themselves is a good one. It was a jolt that turned some away from that path.
As to your point about voluntary brainwashing- an example came to mind of an example.. The Marine Corps basic training. A recruit is subjected to every sort of physical, mental, psycholical abuse imaginable. They are called maggots (or something similar) constantly ridiculed & their self esteem taken away. They are then slowly indoctrinated into this group (cult?) of the Marine Corps & are eventually told they are the greatest! The point being to tear them down then rebuild into them a certain mindset. You can question whether it is good or bad to be brainwashed in this way.... some would think it's good others wouldn't.
For me, I felt like I was being brainwashed at the time & afterward by the set of beliefs I was being instilled with. No doubt about it!
Funny thought, can you imagine getting up in a rap and talking like this :lol: Probably wouldn't be able to finish the 1st sentence.
Filobeddoe:
Greetings Dantari,
I just found this site a week or so ago & can tell you that it's not a Seed Reunion lovefest but it is unfair to characterize it as totally one-sided (or worse as you did).
If you read a little closer (including the response by Greg to your first post) I think you'll find while there is a difference in opinion & experience there is also tolerance for all views. All views are in fact welcomed.
Think of it as a "friendly" debate or relating of experiences.
The moderator, GregFL seems to welcome other stories & opinions without attacking the motives.
He will probably defend himself... but I would ask you to read other's experiences & share your opinions... even if they seem to be the minority view. Some others may respond to your comments & be in agreement with you. There probably are alot of people who have a favorable view of their time with the program (myself included to some extent).
GregFL:
I am a bit bewildered, but not really surprised at your reaction Dantari. You are not the first "pro seed" person to be welcomed here with open arms to then turn nasty for no apparent reason other than your long held beliefs are challenged. In fairness, not all have..witness trucker who seems to be able to state his pro seed views without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
Oh well, you are still welcome and I would thank you for the feigned concern about treatment if it was truly genuine. Further, I Don't need treatment (except maybe a little washin for a "druggie attitude") as I don't do drugs and rarely drink. Come to think of it, even as a 14 year old "druggie" i never had a substance abuse problem. I had a family problem that couldn't be solved with cultic voodoo. Further, I am self employed for 20 years, a single dad and I travel extensively.
But according to you, I am a loser misfit and fuck-up because I don't agree with you. Hmm...ever stop to think where you developed that sort of judgemental trained attack come down on ya attitude?
Welcome again....and I mean it. I hope you find something worthwhile here and I look forward to your participation.
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-08-17 13:08 ]
GregFL:
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I dont think Ive ever seen anyone with such a big axe to grid as yourself Greg. I had always wondered where the people went to who couldnt make it at the seed. Guess now I know. Hope you manage to find some treatment somehere.
Ciao.
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Couldn't make it at the Seed? I was the first of 5 kids in my family to "graduate". I was considered for junior staff but really wasn't interested. I helped catch escapees and stood guard. I had newcomers.
I "made" it as long as I wanted to my friend. It was I that rejected the Seed, not the other way around.
I have no axe to grind..I am interested in the truth. I have no ill feelings towards anyone who was there,not Art Barker, not Libby, no one.
I would love to sit and talk with any one of them, but knowing what I know about the nature of cults, the sentiment does not go both ways. You see, cult personalities cannot handle criticism, can't handle disention, can't handle any one else's perspective if it doesn't tow the cult line.
"he even knows what I am thinking right now".
Robert Chun, speaking to a reporter about Art Barker while driving in a car about 1 1/2 years ago.
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