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Dantari:
Hello I saw this link and just thought I'd browse a bit, cant resist posting a message.
I came to the Seed thru the Tropical Park location at age 19 in 1973. I was ordered through the Dade County court system..... or else go to Raiford for 5-10 years for a conviction on sale and possession charges.
After having graduated my program and stayed in touch for many years. Yes I remember all of the people whose names I have seen mentioned, John U, Suzie, Pam, Nick, and all of the others. And I its kinda funny but I was a trucker too, and yes I remember even the Mother Trucker haha.
I remember the singing and the baseball games out back of SR 84 and the football on Dania beach.
Anyway Im doing quite well in my life, Ive been almost 30 years with the same company and have climbed the ranks. Youll never hear me say an unkind word about the Seed or any of its people, because they did me right. At age 19 I had no skills and my only aspirations were to live on a commune somewhere and shoot darvons. :sad:
Thanks for hosting the website Greg, and I hope you dont mind my posting a differing opinion than what seems to be the norm here.
Dantari225@hotmail.com if ya dont have an axe to grind.
Best of luck to all of you.
GregFL:
Hello,and welcome. And your thoughts are encouraged. Even the home page says we encourage all opinions.
For some reason, there is a culture of having to pick a side. My vision for this website has always been something a bit different.
You are very welcome here, and I would love to hear your stories. Thank you for your kind words.
BTW, since you were involved all those years, did you ever hear the story about Art by the pool at the apartment complex on 441? I would love to hear it from the Seed's perspective. This is it from the perspective of the other guy (me).
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... &forum=8&4
Also, this is the first post in the Seed discussion forum, if you are interested in starting from the beginning.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=8&23
The way the forum self formats, you can't chronicalogically scroll thru because new posts bring topics to the front.
Isn't it amazing how we all process our time at the Seed so differently? No matter what your opinion of your time there, we all share a common experience that bonds us in a way. Welcome again. If you are in touch with anyone now, tell them about the forum. We would love participation from one of the senior staff members here...
GregFL:
One thing I have observed here and find interesting is the kids that were in and younger seem to be real upset with their time in the seed and some of the older kids seem to view it more favorably... Who knows, but the differences in the way we all process our seed experience are blantant and further this is a general observation. Eveyone had a unique experience.
Dantari, thanks again for joining our little exploratory project here. I am looking forward to your participation.
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-08-15 19:07 ]
Filobeddoe:
Greetings Dantari,
We have a similar story.... I was 17 & had been arrested a few times & dropped out of hs in 10th grade. The last time I was arrested it was for possession & battery on leo and was given the choice?? of trial or some kind of treatment. I think it may have been a bogus choice but I knew deep down that I was screwed up & was really going downhill.
While I didn't particularly like the program on a day to day basis, it "modified my behavior" (brainwashed if you will) so I could turn my life in a different direction.
I was very fortunate in that there were MANY neat seed kids in my town to hang around with for a couple years after the Seed. They took the place of my druggie friends & were alot better. We hung out together drinking coffee for hours at Denny's, went hunting, scuba diving, water skiing, etc.
Eventually, we went off into the world & did our own thing and I have lost touch with them long ago but we were really close for a while & most of us "stayed straight" for a long time. It took about 10 yrs before I had my first beer!
Generally speaking, I think a person with a problem (drug addict/abuser or alcoholic) has to "reach bottom" before they can really accept the indoctrination offered by a program like The Seed. I had reached bottom.
Alot of the kids in The Seed with me were younger & had problems... but maybe the program was more intense than they needed? All I know is that it WAS a part of my life because of it (or maybe inspite of my experiences there) I changed for the better.
Overall, it had more of a "positive" effect on me but there were some negatives too.....
GregFL:
Well, I have a hard time understanding how anyone "needed" brainwashing, food and sleep deprivation, cultic mind control and general weirdness and social isolation.
I do understand however how someone who was self destructive and hurting themselves with drugs may have stopped at this juncture in life and then credited the experience to the seed.
Something I don't think you are taking into account, tho. I personally know many many people that went into the seed smoking a little pot or with "druggie attitudes" and then got out and used all sorts of drugs but now had additional problems. One of my good buddies died with a needle in his arm, Seed graduate. If you credit the Seed with saving you, don't you then have to blame them for this? I say neither applies, the blame or the credit. How many people do you know now that never went thru the Seed yet quit drugs and are now drug free for years? I know many...who gets the credit for that?
My opinion is that the few that think they were helped in no way justifies the thousands who feel the experience was negative. Nor does it justify the suicides and broken families, the physc damage and the feelings of worthlessness so common..
All that being said, I am genuinely glad you both feel you weren't harmed by your seed experience. I certainly don't share that sentiment.
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