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TRUCKER:
I dont agree with ya maggot! HURRAH!!!!!!
The intended out come I think is about the same for both organizations. Both strived to produce strong minded, independent, self reliant, confident
self thinkers ,and good morale ethical decsion makers.
If I remember, the Seed even had group raps on honor, courage and commitments. This is all damn close with what the Marine Corps teach. As for what you think Arts goals were?,It seems as if he must have discussed this with you personally from your statement. All I know is that I (we) must all have washed out from the program if fallowing his goals!
Is this where I say ,"The Seed LOVES YOU" or
"SEMPER FI"
TRUCKER
Antigen:
Ignore what they say, watch what they do.
The whole stepcraft religion is based on self debasement. According to its practitioners, in order to recover from the 'disease' of substance abuse, you must first declare and believe that you are a totally helpless, worthless victim of this alleged disease and that only by stayed belief in this basic axiom can anyone hope to even continue to draw breath.
Just go and try telling a Marine that he's powerless, insane and not capable of trusting his own instincts and thought processes.
From the bottom of any large organization looking up through the ranks, human greed and stupidity look a lot like a conspiracy.
--S. Gilbert
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TRUCKER:
One is not a marine until one graduates from boot camp. He is lower then life.. a maggot.He is not allowed to think on his own. His disease is being a civilian. No debasement there! My last word again is the Seed was not as bad as boot camp.
TRUCKER
Antigen:
Yes, but it's only part time.
In boot camp, you can turn to one of your fellow recruites and say "Man, Sarge is an ASSHOLE!" In The Seed, you couldn't say that about Art. You were not even allowed to speak w/ fellow newcomers, only w/ kids who were already brainwashed and/or intimidated enough to never, ever say a word against Art or the Program.
I wasn't in the 'inner circle' but I was along for the ride for a very long time. I think the guy's a fucking lunatic, a megalomaniac and greedy bastard who never gave a care for what he was doing to people. As long as he had a room full of people shouting "We love ya, Art!" on command and willing to humiliate themselves in various ways to proove it, that's all that mattered.
For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute
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GregFL:
I wasn't in the marine corps so it is hard to comment from a first person perspective. My personal issues with the seed had more to do with the destruction of my personal family, being 14 in thought reform, being rejected first by all my friends, then later by all the seed kids when I decided to think on my own, being forced to worship someone like he was a god....
None of that, I might add, is part of the marine corps.
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