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« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2004, 11:34:00 AM »
WILDPONY - you can e-mail the author of the petition at: [email protected]
She knows all about it.  If you want information - go to the source.  You'd better identify yourself though - she doesn't give information to everyone.
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« Reply #91 on: May 25, 2004, 11:36:00 AM »
A reporter from Salt Lake city Weekly is doing a story on Provo Canyon School and other abusive programs. His name is Shane Johnson.
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« Reply #92 on: May 25, 2004, 01:01:00 PM »
Thanks for the understanding, darkhope. Who I am will readily be revealed through publication of stories in the next month or so - or sooner. Again, I don't have an agenda, but I have found this site to be useful in terms of providing information that can later be confirmed through researching court cases, etc., or active complaints. Has anyone heard if DCFS has been responsive at all to  any of the people who may have called with complaints - at the urging of some on this board?

  WWASPS has a case against a UPI reporter, which is strange because UPI is simply a shell of a news wire service at this point.
  Of course, there is the ongoing fight between them and PURE and plenty of rebuttal information about the stories  Tim with the New York Times wrote.  All of it is intended to have a chilling effect on the media - an effort to disuade investigation into alleged complaints of abuse, etc. I have to admit I don't know much about Provo Canyon School - other than it is just one of many of these treatment programs thriving in this state.
  The fact that WWASPS is Utah-based and has been the genesis of so much controversy merits an examination, hopefully something a bit more exhaustive than has been done thus far by any Utah media outlet.
 Feel free to email me anytime at [email protected] :wave:
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« Reply #93 on: May 25, 2004, 01:07:00 PM »
thanks anonymous. I emailed her yesterday and identified myself. Hopefully I will hear from her soon. I essentially  just need to know the timeline on this, the goal of how many signatures and at what point it will be presented to officials.
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« Reply #94 on: May 25, 2004, 01:49:00 PM »
The WWASPS v. PURE lawsuit has to do with the Lanham Act. Not sure exactly what that is, but believe it has to do with trade infringement.

The writer may also want to know that PURE (Sue Scheff) has apparently filed a civil lawsuit of her own (see FORNITS archives).

The controversy surrounding the teen help industry has indeed led to lawsuits aimed at silencing public opinion on several different levels.  

Abridging free-speech in this country is no minor matter and journalists would be wise not to be led down the wrong path by people with self-serving agendas who have become quite adept at spinning the truth.

Beware of SMOKE and MIRRORS obfuscating what's really going on in the sub-cottage industry of educational consultants and independent referral services.  It's all there in black and white if you know what to look for.

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« Reply #95 on: May 25, 2004, 01:54:00 PM »
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On 2004-05-25 10:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The WWASPS v. PURE lawsuit has to do with the Lanham Act. Not sure exactly what that is, but believe it has to do with trade infringement.



The writer may also want to know that PURE (Sue Scheff) has apparently filed a civil lawsuit of her own (see FORNITS archives).



The controversy surrounding the teen help industry has indeed led to lawsuits aimed at silencing public opinion on several different levels.  



Abridging free-speech in this country is no minor matter and journalists would be wise not to be led down the wrong path by people with self-serving agendas who have become quite adept at spinning the truth.



Beware of SMOKE and MIRRORS obfuscating what's really going on in the sub-cottage industry of educational consultants and independent referral services.  It's all there in black and white if you know what to look for.



 :smokin: "


Here is the link to discussion thread about the PURE lawsuit.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=1&114
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« Reply #96 on: May 25, 2004, 03:17:00 PM »
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On 2004-05-25 08:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"A reporter from Salt Lake city Weekly is doing a story on Provo Canyon School and other abusive programs. His name is Shane Johnson.  "


yea, here I have his number and everything.

Shane Johnson
Slat Lake ity weekly
801-575-7003 ext.32
cell 801-671-3446

I have already called and spoken withhim for an hour and I know many others who have also called him including a x-staff that ain't so fond of the place, as in, some of the corruptive staff.
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« Reply #97 on: May 25, 2004, 05:36:00 PM »
So Anonymous - What IS going on the sub cottage industry of educational consultants?

  And it won't fall into anyone's agenda by doing h an examination of litigation involving these programs or do you think it would?
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« Reply #98 on: May 25, 2004, 06:53:00 PM »
Wild Pony: I find it odd that you are not identifying yourself if you are indeed a reporter for one of the newspapers. I myself would be happy to discuss things with you if you were a reporter and if I knew which magazine or newpapers you were reporting for.  I've seen posts from other journalists and authors and all have identified themselves.  For all we know you are an informant for Provo Canyon School.  
There have been many who have reported their abuse and the abuse they witnessed to the authorities. I can say from experience that they treat these reports with disdain, contempt and ridicule. The authorities routinely ignor reports of abuse at Provo Canyon School and other programs. Provo happens to be one of the largest and most expensive. The rate for private incarceration is $12,500 if you have insurance and $8,000 if you do not.  Of course they negotiate depending on their capacity.  
The state also pays Provo for keeping juvenile offenders who are court-ordered there.  One of the reasons the agencies and licensing boards ignor and minimize these reports is because the state itself could be held liable for sending children there.  It would also become a political issue if the media reported this to the public.  Here is an abusive program - where children have no access to the outside - and the taxpayers of Utah are essentially funding this. Now even in Utah, some feathers would be ruffled if they knew about this.  
Provo is also listed as a hospital on the Utah.gov site.  I discovered this one day when I searched - Utah Valley Hospital Provo Canyon School.  Authorities had told me that it was a "residential facility" and that state and federal mental health codes did not apply.  When I went back and actually showed them that PCS was listed on their own government's web-site with a copy write to the state of Utah - there was SILENCE. No one has replied.  No one has answered this simple question: Provo Canyon School is listed on the Utah.Gov site as a hospital - Is it a hospital or is it a residential facility?  
This is an important issue - because if it is a hospital then they are in violation of many more codes, laws and statutes.  If it is a residential facility they must abide by Utah "core rules"  these are rules that set limits for isolation and other punishments.  One of the rules states that they must treat the patients with dignity.  If they are put in isolation it can not be for more than four hours. If they are put in isolation it can't interfere with bedtime.  The list goes on - but there are far fewer laws that they must abide by. They must notify parents if isolation is used on their child within 24 hours.  
These rules are routinely broken.  They get away with it by telling the authorities that the children are liars, fakers and manipulators.  They also routinely deprive children of necessary medical care.  They get away with all of this because Ken Stettler is at the helm and he promotes these facilities. They are a bread and butter industry in Utah.  
Wildpony - just look at the core rules they can be found on the utah.gov site under residential programs core rules.  
I have documents showing that Provo is in violation of most of these. I have given these docs to the authorities who have refused to do anything about it.  They obviously let these programs violate rules constantly.  Unfortunately for Anson Arnett, Ian August, Aaron Bacon, Michelle Sutton and many others - this policy has proven deadly.
Utah allows programs to continue to operate even thought they flagrantly and consistantly violate rules, laws and statutes.  
It is my opinion that the State of Utah is as much to blame for all of this toruture, death and child abuse as the actual facilities.
Provo Canyon School has been abusing children for a long time. It is where the founder of the WWASP programs learned the ropes of abusive behavior modification. WWASP programs implement the same types of punishments and punitive measures. The facilities in other countries are even more abusive.  
something should be done - it is an outrage - the authorities in Utah are obviously doing absolutely nothing when they receive reports of abuse. It doesn't matter if the report comes from a parent or a child.
If Wild pony wants to expose this and is truly a reporter like he claims - then he would be doing the public a great service.  

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« Reply #99 on: May 25, 2004, 06:55:00 PM »
Just got off the phone with Shane Johnson from the salt lake city weekley, the article with provo has been put on the back burner, his lead man comitted suicide, seems to be a popular thing these days, anyways, Mr. Johnson said he will pick it back up and then he will give me a call back on it, just so you all know. He said that the article was just going ot feature Provo as a aside thing, but with all the info. he got when he picks it back up he is going to make it the Feature Picture per say. So just so ya all know, he said that he will pick it back up again though.
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« Reply #100 on: May 25, 2004, 11:24:00 PM »
Provo Canyon School should be shut down. Most would have a difficult time believing all of this - those who have had this experience know that all of these stories are true. This school has been protected by the authorities long enough. All of the children in this program must be evaluated for abuse and violation of basic rights.  It's amazing that our government allows this to go on.  
This is truly corrupt.
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« Reply #101 on: May 26, 2004, 02:13:00 AM »
:eek:
 So all of you are a bunch of paranoids because I refuse to identify myself. You bitch and bitch and bitch to each other on this website, questioning motives, while undermining your own.
 Well  here you are. Question mine. Check out the name Amy Joi Bryson on the Deseret News Website and see what I have done so far...some of it is on these threads.
   And Cherish, I am a SHE not A HE, and  merely was trying to keep a low profile while I collect information for a series of stories I plan to do this summer on the teen help industry, particularly how it relates to Utah, since it is so rampant here.
  And you can bash Ken Stettler all you want, but the ONLY reason I got onto this issue was while covering the legislature this past session and a simple little bill dealing with human services licensing failed to pass. When I called Ken about it, he said extreme lobbying  killed it because it would have roped Majestic Ranch under state scrutiny. I wondered why that would have been a bad thing and went from there with internet research. Do the archives research on our website.
  Like I said, I do not have an ax to grind, but I find it intriguing that a state such as ours that professes to love family and children is so ripe with an industry that so many others are accusing of being abusive.
  I do not discredit what Shane and the City Weekly may do, but check out who has been on this story the last four months and found the New York connection with Teen Escort and the alleged assault.
  And yes, we've already received one threatening letter from an attorney, but I am not deterred  in exploring the differing views associated with this industry and the controversy that exists.
  I found this forum by accident, found that it is helpful in what I am trying to learn (as well as many others) but I do not like my credibility called into question because I am trying to be cautious.
   I entered a log-in on this site simply to communicate because I felt there may have been some sincere postings. Since doing the first story on WWASPS and the related industry, I was bombarded with emailers who claimed abuse, wanted to know where to turn to help, phone calls, etc.
 It could have been easy to turn them into stories and run with it all without verification.
  It's not - unless you want to invite wrath and lawsuits and be someone's pawn.
 Everyone has a motive.
 I don't - other than to figure out someone else's  and be as fair and accurate as possible. Like I said before, I don't have an agenda - unlike many of you who, by the way, don't reveal their identity as well.
  Now you know mine.
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« Reply #102 on: May 26, 2004, 02:41:00 AM »
Great Amy, I've read your news reports and think you have a good handle on the key issues, except for the sub-cottage industry part which is understandable considering how long these for-profit ed consultants and independent referral agents have been flying below the radar screen.  Suffice to say, this sub-cottage industry is an unregulated highly lucrative business, and as such, has attracted it's fair share of unscrupulous entreprenuers.

Regarding Utah:  Fact is the state does have a history of being reactive instead of proactive.  I believe Stettler even admitted as much in a statement given to one of the Utah newspapers following the death of a teen not so long ago.

The upcoming trial in Cedar City of the two teens accused of killing Anson Arnett has the potential to blow the lid off the private for-profit teen help industry.  The program was operating while in violation of DHS licensing rules, not the least of which is the one mandating that 2 staff members be ON DUTY AT ALL TIMES.  

Why isn't the program owner, Mr. AhQhin being investigated for his role in this tragedy?  And just as importantly, why is DHS even considering letting him start another group home?  My feeling is they have no choice. Perhaps if they raised the licensing fee from just $300.00 a year to an amount more in line with the enormous revenue these programs generate, the field would be a lot less crowded and programs would be a whole lot safer because DHS would be able to monitor them properly.

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« Reply #103 on: May 26, 2004, 03:06:00 AM »
Who said DHS in Utah was considering granting another license?
  Media reported the owners wanted to apply for another license, and Cedar City officials were opposed, as were the family of the victim.
  Sen. Tom Hatch, R-Panguitch, who was a staunch opponent of the licensing bill this last session is now calling for more oversight in light of the counselor's death.
   It may be posturing, but it is an ironic switch to a previous position.
   The truth is, licensed facilities with oversight from Utah - nursing homes to youth homes - probably frequently violate the rules because of inadequate staffing for onsite visits to make sure there is compliance. Point of fact: more than 10 years ago an assisted living center in Ogden for supposed ambulatory patients was putting wheelchair bound elderly on the second floor. Bad decision in the event of a fire.
   That does not equate to a conspiracy on the part of the state, but simply spells of a system underfunded without proper oversight that officials have to trust is running well.
  Perhaps that is what they do with Provo Canyon and every other facility here in Utah that locks up kids and does not ensure their safety.
  Utah is a haven for these programs for kids - hell, research the type of legislation active parental rights advocates wanted passed this last session to ensure adults were treated with deference in the system
 You tease me with a comment about educational consultants but don't go onto explain it. I am trying to be as educated as I can on this topic, but I need people who have obviously been immersed in it for years to be a bit more forthcoming about its faults amd attributes.
   Just last year, I was following Leavitt and bonding and the state's struggle with the red ink in the budget.
  The teen help industry reared up and slapped me in the face only last March with an obscure licensing bill. And yes, I have a 13 year-old who drives me nuts. Have I done my own research for personal reasons? You bet.
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« Reply #104 on: May 26, 2004, 03:12:00 AM »
As a postscript - Because I have CONSIDERED at least checking out these programs, and because they have come up through the course of my job, my interest is intense.
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