Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
Are Nazi's now Holocost survivors too??? Ex Staff stop comp
Jack1963:
I don't know what you mean by exaggerating a few thousand times. I'm actually very careful to not exaggerate, as when people do, they lose credibility. Everything I have posted about CEDU is factual. I want every word I speak to be believed and respected. I know what I saw. I know what I did. And I was very happy to get out of that hell hole. My only regret in leaving was that I couldn't break any kids out when I left!
--- Quote ---On 2004-04-22 14:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"the analogy from this person is horrible, but i do see what they are saying. when i was there all the staff were horrible to me. i hated every day there, and was drugged to the point i could hardly even move from cedus own dr kavorkian aka george ulrich. as i said before, this kids analogy was bad and exagerated, but as an ex cedu staff im sure you can understand extreamly overexagerating something. i would guess youve done it a few thousand times!!!"
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Hell on Wheels:
[ This Message was edited by: Hell on Wheels on 2004-07-11 00:03 ]
Anonymous:
Well, I got out of the biz altogether. I promise you, I wanted to help kids. Period. I saw and I left. And I know others who did, too. Now I teach parents how to talk to, LISTEN to, and love their teenagers. I've saved MANY kids from having to go to those places. I'm in these posts because I want to see CEDU go down.
--- Quote ---On 2004-04-22 18:12:00, Hell on Wheels wrote:
"Mein Kamf.......... That says it all, right there. It is mine, no one elses to fight, I feel differently about things than do others. Some kids that had it rougher than me might not think it had been as bad. It is all in the eye of the beholder. But I have been posting about this for the past couple of days now. I'm moving on. there is nothing else to say. I know how it feels to be bucking the status quo, I know what it feels like to have people after me. No matter what I think of the ex-staff, it does not matter. I don't have to look in their mirror, and they do not have to look in mine. There may be any common ground, and speaking for me, there will never be an apology accepted on my part. Nor will I ask forgiveness of those I have transgressed against. It was how it was and that was the way it was. Maybe in the staff's mind, they could not speak out because Bonners Ferry is such a small tight knit community, I've been there, I live in a community smaller than Bonners. But that is upon their shoulders, and quite possibly blood is on their hand also. The fact remains that many staff that I know of that left CEDU, went on to work at other schools, based loosely upon CEDU, or started their own, so they could not only play god, they could be god by controlling the financing also. For the ones that are out of the biz completely, I salute you, there are many other ways to make a living. For the therapists only, that was your way of life, it is what you went to school for, I can dig it that you still want to be a therapist. Hmmm I guess that says it all..oh wait, at least quit complaining about the horror you saw done to the kids, you don't have to tell us, we were there, bumming around in this little hole in the wall town they now call Idaho. Now I have no problem with talking about shit that went on over our heads and behind our backs, it confirms our suspicions, and opens our eyes a little more. That is good shit, taking a peek at the staff and corporate dirt lists so to speak."
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Maximus:
Inherent in valor is intelligence. Bravery, not spitting on the unidentifiable masses is heart.
Here are many words but little said, little intelligence, few articulators; many short sound bites; many long vomits.
The darkness learned at CEDU is falling. We learned well. The legacy goes on just as they would wish it.
Brothers damned, heroes lumped together with tyrants; bullies of hatred and fear rule the day; abused animals fodder for laughs.
Children suffer in silence as we entertain our egos.
Would these sharp tongued vipers do well without "ex staff complaining?" Yes, for themselves. And, is that not what they are about?
They drive us away. Without care for those left behind; they are bitter for their suffering, but not the suffering of others. Telling? Yes. Empathy absent, they see none of our humanity. Jews we are.
Oh to "'stop complaining." In Germany the public, the intellectuals, the businessmen, the laborors, the therapists stopped complaining and we all died for it.
You - Honerable? Truthful? Kind? Alturistic?
Your mindless venom better with out us? CEDU taught you well.
Now, go into the world and change it for the better. No, you have much work to do on yourself first.
Love?
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Antigen:
Hell On Wheels, I hope you'll stick around or at least skim the topics from time to time. I think you probably do have a great deal of common ground w/ repentant former staff. A lot of people say they're afraid to say too much about CEDU. I believe them. But I think the most important part of the story is made up of the sort of things that are not going to draw any lawsuits or death threats.
The headline makers are all about horrible overt abuses that anyone can plainly see are wrong and illegal. The response to those is usually denial, excuses and/or distancing the corporation from the chosen scapegoat. Those kinds of headlines are one common thread in the industry. But nobody in the industry sets out to kill or disfigure the kids. I think, for the most part, they're true believers. And when you guys describe in detail the day-to-day methods they use to force their ideology on others, then we can all see some other common threads.
These are the reasons why the overt, life threatening abuses always come about under these circumstances. That's what people need to understand and, for the most part, they don't. Once you have somebody convinced that we're talking about a "bad kid" here, then the rest just washes off. They really don't give a damned what anybody does to a "bad kid", especially if the parents are for it.
So, for practical purposes, the most important issue to bring to light is the intake process. I don't know if you youngin's fully appreciate this or not, but when we were young (I'm damned near 40) and, moreso, our older brothers and sisters, the kinds of things that land kids up in trouble w/ the law and/or shipped off to reform school would have only drawn a detention or maybe some heavy labour in the back yard when we were kids! Maybe a good 2 weeks grounding and loss of allowance, but nothing like what some of you guys get for the most minor infractions. When my dad sent me off for smoking pot, he had never smoked pot and was really afraid of it.
Parents who send their kids off today for smoking pot (or for getting caught at it), they are most likely among the majority of people our age who smoked pot when they were your age.
So, if you don't mind, I'm very curious to know the personal stories of how kids land up in these places. I can infer some from the recruiting material. But there's nothing like actual history to tell a story.
--- Quote ---On 2004-04-22 18:12:00, Hell on Wheels wrote:
Now I have no problem with talking about shit that went on over our heads and behind our backs, it confirms our suspicions, and opens our eyes a little more. That is good shit, taking a peek at the staff and corporate dirt lists so to speak.
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This is important to. I don't care so much about forgiveness and appologies. I really do tend to believe people who talk w/ their feet. Makes life real simple. But understand that CEDU is far from unique. It's very similar to the other Synanon based programs in a lot of fundamental ways. And, even when people set out w/ the best of intentions to create a kinder, gentler Program, it always seems to turn out the same way.
So maybe we can shed a little light on how that happens.
Every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid."
--Alexander Hamilton
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