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Are Nazi's now Holocost survivors too??? Ex Staff stop comp

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Anonymous:
I dont know, it really may bust be me, but im am sick and tired of staff whining and complaining on this site that they were the victoms of CEDU.  The only thing i could even think of comparing this too is a Nazi saying they were the true victoms of the holocost.
I attended Ascent and two of the CEDU schools in north idaho, and can tell you there was not one staff member besides mike bonner (maybe mike hampton) that seemed to have truely good hearts.  However i then come onto sites like this years later and hear the whining of the ex staff members.  
I for one do not feel bad for any of you.  you were the people who made CEDU bad.  you were the people who verbally bashed and harassed the kids.  you were the people that restrained me at ascent for 6hrs because i admited to looking over in the direction of a girl...oh otter i mean, i dont wanna get restrained for saying girl too.  
It truely makes me sick to my stomach to sit here now and read your sobb stories about how you too where under terrible abuse there, it was a career, and your career decision was to stay there and look on.  If you truely had a good heart, go to the police department, file a complaint, and if your life is really run by cedu then move out of idaho.  I'm sure theres hick and kkk country for you somewhere else in the country if thats the type of town you really feel you need to live in.
Please stop posting your sad stories making you a victom.  i havent seen one story of staff filing reports of child abuse, overmedicating of children, or sever emotional damage on children.  If you are one of these staff i welcome you to post your story, i am open to hearing it, just for now i cant imagine you really being the victom of this system.

Antigen:
You don't have to like them or believe them, but it might be worth your while to sit back and see what they do and what they have to say. I tend to believe people who talk w/ their feet.



The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor

--Anatole France
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
It is wrong to leave a stumbling block in the road once it has tripped you.

Jack1963:
Thanks for your post here, Ginger. The anger of some of these ex-students posting just shows me how hurt they were. They are angry at us as ex-staff. I've posted many times that I NEVER treated a kid  badly and was constantly harassed by CEDU for it. As I've posted on other pages, even those staff who bought into it were duped. Many were young and believed what CEDU taught them. It's unfair to not allow people to say that they were wrong and have remorse.

Also, the poster comparing Nazi remorse for the Holocaust to ex-staff is insulting to the millions who were slaughtered and abused by the Nazis. It is absurd. Systematic gassing, torture, and other unspeakable cruelties by Nazis could never compare with anything that CEDU ever did.

One of my concerns is that when we see inflammatory posts, it may turn inquiring people away from the posts. We want to present rational, logical arguments for our complaints against CEDU. There is nothing wrong with an impassioned argument, but ridiculous analogies won't get anyone to take seriously the argument the person is trying to make.



--- Quote ---On 2004-04-22 13:25:00, Antigen wrote:

"You don't have to like them or believe them, but it might be worth your while to sit back and see what they do and what they have to say. I tend to believe people who talk w/ their feet.






The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor



--Anatole France
--- End quote ---




_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

Seed sibling `71 - `80

Straight South (Sarasota, FL)

   10/80 - 10/82

Anonymity Anonymous

It is wrong to leave a stumbling block in the road once it has tripped you."

--- End quote ---

Anonymous:
the analogy from this person is horrible, but i do see what they are saying.  when i was there all the staff were horrible to me. i hated every day there, and was drugged to the point i could hardly even move from cedus own dr kavorkian aka george ulrich.  as i said before, this kids analogy was bad and exagerated, but as an ex cedu staff im sure you can understand extreamly overexagerating something.  i would guess youve done it a few thousand times!!!

Maximus:
"The nonchalance of boys who are sure of a dinner and would distain as much as a lord to do so is a healthy state for human nature..."

"..Speak your latent conviction today though it contradicts everything you said yesterday. Ah, so you will be sure to be misunderstood. Is it so bad to be misunderstood? Every true and great spirit that ever took flesh was misunderstood. Copernicus, Galileo, Jesus and Luther were misunderstood. To be great is to be misunderstood."
Ralph Waldo Emerson

When I'm in a bad mood you will know it. When I seek peace, you will know it. It's called authenticity.

The world is too full of phony, polite, social robots that hunker down to the status quo, so as not to offend elite or tyrant sensibilities.

May they be offended greatly. May they feel dissonance - great dissonance. May they experience emotion along with all who have suffered. And suffering is not a badge of honor. Experiencing tyranny does not deserve a bow or a kiss. The honor is in removing the stumbling stone. The honor is in the impolite destruction of tyranny through honest, powerful dialogue - not etiquette. Not political correctness.

Etiquette and political correctness are what is wrong with the world. Evil is no better off exposed. Rather facades of good are evil

The time is past for etiquette, political correctness and all things that are squelching human dynamism and passion. The time is here for sit down strikes, blockades, nonviolent protest and further insult to the new world order.  
[ This Message was edited by: Maximus on 2004-04-22 15:00 ][ This Message was edited by: Maximus on 2004-04-22 15:02 ]

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