Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-20 22:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm curious as to how the anon WWASPS parent feels about the pending direct-action (HURON)lawsuit? Presuming it will be filed some time in the near future, what does Anon think the impact of the filing will be upon parents with children currently in the program?
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What is the near future? Heard that in the not so distant past. :rofl:
Cayo Hueso:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-20 22:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
BTW, DON'T CATHOLICS HAVE TO GO TO CONFESSION, DOES THAT MAKE THEM A CULT? CALLING SPECIALTY BOARDING SCHOOLS A CULT "IS" REALLY STRETCHING IT. "
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When was the last time you went to confession in front of 300 people??? :evil: Then, after revealing your deepest, darkest secrets did the priest later use that very same information to "humble" you???? How dare you make that comparison.
A free people ought...to be armed...
George Washington, 1790
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Antigen:
Ok, here's an example of what I'm trying to say about consistency.
First you say this:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-20 22:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
You know some parents just don't get it, Ginger. The parent that wanted to keep her son on track by marrying a girl that would drop him like a hot potato for drinking doesn't get it. Maybe she went through all the seminars and never applied anything she learned, who the hell knows.
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Then, within a coupld of paragraphs, you contradict that sentiment entirely.
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As for allegations of abuse. This is getting really, really OLD! GOOD GOD PEOPLE, WAKE UP! If it's true then it will come out in a court of law. Until then realize that a troubled teen will say anything, especially to a weak parent, to get out
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Sounds to me asif that mother we were talking about mastered the seminar material beautifully! And this is perfectly conistent with the tone and philosophy I remember from my childhood affiliation with The Seed and Straight whereas your statement above, implying that the Program is all about dignity and respect sounds like something out of the Twilight Zone.
--- Quote --- Hell, I got macked in grade school by a slap happy gym teacher for chewing gum. That teacher was fired, but they didn't close down the grade school. "
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Yeah, we had a girl knocked up by a gym teacher in our little Christian highschool too. It was very sad. The guy was fresh out of college. The girl was no run around. It was just a case of verbotten love. I heard they married and lived relatively happily ever after.
But he was the only one. This was not something that we heard about repeatedly, over and over, from different kids and parents continually and consistently. Our little school never shut down a program under investigation, never changed their name. And let me tell you somthing, our principal would never have dreamt of passing the buck as Ken Lay and the Lichfields routinely do!
In those vaunted seminars, they tell you that everything that happens to you is your fault. But when hundreds of different people all make the same complaints about the same people, they claim that WWASP is not Dundee :rofl: Then they change the name of the program, move to another location and pretend they've solved the problem.
How can you not see this hypocracy?
No citizen of a liberal and democratic nation profits from a victorious war.
--Ludwig von Mises
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-20 22:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
IS THIS A CULT FORUM? AREN'T PROGRAM SUPPORTERS OSTRACIZED FOR OPINIONS THAT AREN'T THE MAJORITY HERE?
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You're still here. No one's making you read or respond. There's no consequence for your dissenting opinion. There is no censorship at all, no one is banned unless they do something, repeatedly, to take down the server. If the prevailing opinion seems to be negative toward the program, then it's likely because that really is the prevailing opinion.
--- Quote ---NO, THIS IS NO MORE A CULT FORUM THAN WWASP IS A CULT - BTW, DON'T CATHOLICS HAVE TO GO TO CONFESSION, DOES THAT MAKE THEM A CULT? CALLING SPECIALTY BOARDING SCHOOLS A CULT "IS" REALLY STRETCHING IT. "
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Ever hear the term "Just trust the program"? Or how about "If you don't DO something quickly, your kid might die in a drunk driving wreck this very weekend!!!!"
Speaking of the Catholics, does anyone remember the Inquisition? The Salem witch hunt?
Here's the definition of the word cult.
Any philisophical group or religion is a cult. That's what the word means. And any one has the potential to become an abusive, high demand group.
Finally, when I was on 5th phase at Straight and taking the pre-training course for staff, I didn't think the program was an abusive cult either. I had never thought about it in that light because thinking such thoughts was verbotten. Even if I had thought it, I had no one to talk to. Saying such a thing would get you started over.
That's the reason for cutting these kids off from the real world. That's the reson for all the restrictions on communication among themselves and w/ their families. If they didn't strictly control their members' communication, if members were allowed to question the program freely, they'd notice all the contradictions and wouldn't believe it.
Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission
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Anonymous:
Interesting phrase, "trust the program." Actually, I have personally never heard this, but I have heard "trust the process" in relation to the program.
I am going to disagree with the response, Ginger, regarding the "cult" thinking on this board. I should look at the negatives and believe every word that is written on this board. If I don't, then I don't get it, or I'm not living in the real world, or I should just go drink the kool-aid. I know this is not a cult, neither is the Catholic church, neither are specialty boarding schools. I'm not telling anyone here to agree or disagree with my views. It's just telling another side of the story.
I read a lot of "fear" about attending the seminars that wwasp offers, but not from those that have been to them. I was NEVER, EVER told what to think or feel, PERIOD! I was never told to confess in front of 1 or 100 people and had them hold it against me. I was however, asked to reveal secrets to a therapist once, not to have it held against me, but to begin working on it to get over it. I didn't "get over it" until I attended the seminars. I was never degraded, abused verbally, whatever you think happens. Hey, I have an idea! Since they are public, why not put your mouth to rest on something you have not experienced for yourself and GO! No one is going to run after you if you choose to leave and ask you to stay. Why all the assumptions without personal knowledge? Comparisions with "other" experiences are not the same thing. What I attended sounds nothing like what Deborah attended. As an alternative, why not buy the book The Four Agreements Companion Book - it mirrors what these seminars are about in many ways. Good investment in yourself.
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