Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Anonymous:
Ginger - I can't say why wwasp programs are in the news, nor the stories that are written on similar forums. I only go by my own experience of those I've met in person and who nothing to gain or lose by being honest with me. I never hear these stories first hand that I see written in the newspapers, but that's not saying they aren't actually true. I'm not naive, but I'd prefer to go by what I do hear from those that have been there. I've met a lot of these kids through my seminar experience with their parents.
How do you personally sort out what you read from what is fact?
Because your program experience in STRAIGHT was bad, you may tend to believe that everything you read is true. or not. Because my experience out of the program, with the kids I've met, the parents I've met and my own seminar experience, I tend to believe what I know. ANd I really do sort through the other stuff. This PURE company has really tainted the waters of what is real and what is not. It's difficult for me to believe much of what I read on this forum due to that and the constant battles going on. From what I've read, it looks like thsi company has contacted newspaper after newspaper, public officials, etc., to create a lot of what has been reported. Knowing newspaper reporters from an experience I had in the past, I know they omit and sensationalize a bunch. But I also know that's not all there is to it.
I do believe you.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-20 18:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger - I can't say why wwasp programs are in the news, nor the stories that are written on similar forums.
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--- Quote --- It's difficult for me to believe much of what I read on this forum due to that and the constant battles going on. From what I've read, it looks like thsi company has contacted newspaper after newspaper, public officials, etc., to create a lot of what has been reported. Knowing newspaper reporters from an experience I had in the past, I know they omit and sensationalize a bunch. But I also know that's not all there is to it.
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You seem to imply that you think PURE is somehow responsible for all of the bad press. That's not even possible. I watched a piece about WWASP on 48 Hours before Sue Scheff ever even put her daughter in Cross Creek.
These reports are coming from a lot of different people who don't even know eachother. Yes, the news media does slant issues. Everybody does. There's just no getting around that. That's why it's important to take in a lot of different points of view and see what stands up.
You look at the glowing testimonials from happy WWASP parents as proof that it's a good thing. I see things like a WWASP mom bragging that her son is set to marry just the right girl cause she knows the girl will drop him in a hot second if he ever touches a beer again. I don't know about you, but that's not the kind of girl I'd want my son to marry. I'd want him to marry one who will stick by him through thick and thin, just like mom and dad have done.
--- Quote ---I do believe you. "
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Well thank you. I appreciate that.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Anonymous:
I'm curious as to how the anon WWASPS parent feels about the pending direct-action (HURON)lawsuit? Presuming it will be filed some time in the near future, what does Anon think the impact of the filing will be upon parents with children currently in the program?
Anonymous:
I think I'll just jump in here and see what comes out of it!
You know some parents just don't get it, Ginger. The parent that wanted to keep her son on track by marrying a girl that would drop him like a hot potato for drinking doesn't get it. Maybe she went through all the seminars and never applied anything she learned, who the hell knows. What a lame reason for liking the girl. Shit! Sounds like she doesn't trust her kid. That just solidifies the notion that if the parents don't do the work to do whatever it takes to rebuild what it means to be a family, it won't work.
Yep, stories about programs have been around as long as there have been programs. I think what the ANON was referring to was about the recent stuff because it's been stepped up a lot since Dundee Ranch was invaded and shut down. The jury's still out on what really happened. What's been on this forum since then seems to point at the PURE camp in instigating a lot of the reports. Just my observation.
As far as the "stupid rules" thing. How lame! No matter how stupid a parent thinks the rules are, did their little darling follow rules at home? Didn't they think those rules were stupid? Whether it's don't look out the window, or don't break curfew, they all looked at them as stupid rules. I think it's a great thing to start from square one on rules in the programs. You know what it's all about? It's about "STOP and THINK!!! Becoming conscious of the choices seems to me the "reason" for those stupid rules. DUH!!!
Anyone know the definition of co-dependent????? If that's a big gripe on programs, get real!
As for allegations of abuse. This is getting really, really OLD! GOOD GOD PEOPLE, WAKE UP! If it's true then it will come out in a court of law. Until then realize that a troubled teen will say anything, especially to a weak parent, to get out and fortunately for the kid, it works, so they can get back to misbehavin' "Oh, I'm so sorry I did that to you little jimmy. Let me make it up to you and buy you whatever it is that will make you happy now and I'll let you do anything you want to do to destroy your life. Here let me help. I'll never doubt you again. I know you'll ALWAYS tell me the truth."
Ryan F has proved that! Has anything bad ever happened? Are there humans running these programs and working for them? Hell, I got macked in grade school by a slap happy gym teacher for chewing gum. That teacher was fired, but they didn't close down the grade school.
Anonymous:
Ooops, forgot to respondto the CULT thing!
"Ginger shared this: Dispensing of Existence - The group's totalist environment emphasizes that the members are part of an elite or special group. Outsiders are considered unworthy or unenlightened. This thinking leads to the thinking that their whole existence centers on being in the group. If you leave, you join nothingness. This is an extension of doctrine over person. Existence comes to depend on creed (I believe, therefore, I am), submission (I obey, therefore, I am) and total merger with the group's ideology. This is the final step in creating members' dependence on the group."
IS THIS A CULT FORUM? AREN'T PROGRAM SUPPORTERS OSTRACIZED FOR OPINIONS THAT AREN'T THE MAJORITY HERE? NO, THIS IS NO MORE A CULT FORUM THAN WWASP IS A CULT - BTW, DON'T CATHOLICS HAVE TO GO TO CONFESSION, DOES THAT MAKE THEM A CULT? CALLING SPECIALTY BOARDING SCHOOLS A CULT "IS" REALLY STRETCHING IT.
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