Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Anonymous:
Ginger - this is my response to your question why I think the wwasp program works. I'm not going to debate anything else this time of the evening, though!
The program cannot fail because the program is not and never was a fix-it shop for broken children.
None of the material or processes or anything about the program or the seminars is secret or mysterious or, in fact, anything that hasn't been written down in books for quite some time. What is different with the facilities under the WWASP umbrella is the approach to family healing.
It only makes sense to involve the whole family in the healing. Every family member, present, or absent, played a role in the results of today. And, it makes no sense, at all, to show a kid new tools for managing his/her life if he/she are going back into a family dynamic that hasn't changed. Some kids are strong and adaptable, They will make it, in spite of obstacles. Most are not, and the easiest course of action for all people is to fall back into old patterns.
What if a parent was wrong and sent a kid into the program that was only going through a phase? What if a "regular" kid were sent into the program? I've talked with a lot of grads and a lot of kids who were in the program, but, did not graduate.
I firmly believe that exposure to being accountable for their own choices, and grasping that their life is truly the result of their choices will not hurt any kid.
I sort of suspect that if a kid were sent into the program by trigger-happy parents, that kid would fly through the program, and,...... benefit from it. And, be aware enough to realize that they had benefited.
Anonymous:
Fine, send the parents to Devil's Island and let 'em work on being accountable for their lousy parenting skills. No cell phones, spa treatments or Viagra until they learn to love the omnipotent program. How's that for a cost-effective solution to a strictly American malady called AFFLUENZA?
:rofl:
Antigen:
--- Quote --- Ginger - this is my response to your question why I think the wwasp program works. I'm not going to debate anything else this time of the evening, though!
The program cannot fail because the program is not and never was a fix-it shop for broken children.
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Holy Crow! The program can't fail because it doesn't promise anything? It's amazing to me that you can go through the motions of typing that and, apparently, not even understand what you're saing. Look back to the beginning of this thread. You started out from the position that, yeah, well, maybe it's torture. But a lot of things could be considered torture. And that this is justified by the wonderful success rate. Now they're not making any promises, therefore can't be expected to deliver?
What, exactly, do parents expect in return for all that money and autonomy they hand over? Nothing?
Anon, you clearly just don't want to think about it in logical terms.
Did you read the sworn testimony I linked to from Mitchell v Mitchell? Do you discard it out of hand? Or do you think the conditions and treatment these kids describe is justifiable?
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-18 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
I sort of suspect that if a kid were sent into the program by trigger-happy parents, that kid would fly through the program, and,...... benefit from it. And, be aware enough to realize that they had benefited.
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Sure, if it were really just good, old fashioned, strict discipline. But it's not. It's forced confession, constant psyche and emotional pressure, isolation and fear. It's harder sometimes on kids who don't have any real crimes to confess. They're forced to, not only lie about themselves, but really to believe it.
But if you just don't want to see it, you won't. I know of a good many program parents who, 20 or more years later, despite the fact that their kids barely talk to them, still swear by the Program. See, it really is all about the parents. Kids can't sign big checks.
who needs regular piss tests more than a former blowski who has his finger on the button?
--Chuck Beyer
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[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2003-12-19 03:38 ]
Kiwi:
--- Quote ---None of the material or processes or anything about the program or the seminars is secret or mysterious or, in fact, anything that hasn't been written down in books for quite some time.
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Can you direct me to an account of a TASKS seminar that:
1. Details exactly what happens.
2. Does not claim that the participants take a vow of secrecy.
Deborah:
What is different with the facilities under the WWASP umbrella is the approach to family healing.
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WWASP talks about Family Healing and bringing families back together, as do other facilities. I have read numerous accountants in which the parent and child are alienated because the teen stopped "working the program".
If the process is useful and helpful to all parties, then I would think the teen would notice and be a voluntary participant. If the method fails to treat the teen respectfully it's easy to understand that many will never volunarily participate.
How is it helpful or useful to incarcerate the teen and require the parents to write a letter informing the teen that they are on a lovely vacation, enjoying themselves without him/her.
This doesn't imply that all family members "played a role". It implies that the teen is the primary source of conflict and stress in the home and deserves their involuntary isolation and "torture", while the family deserves a break, a vacation.
For an example of how parents are brainwashed to think their child is the problem see this post- excerpts of the Dec issue of The Source:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&5
Very simply stated, it appears that:
The teen is isolated and has no contact with parents except for an ocassional letter which is censored.
While the teen is being broken down and subjected to extreme control techniques,
The parents are learning how to impliment the techniques, in workshops and/or from other parents. A method that gives an outward appearance of better communication and negotiation, yet when closely analyzed proves to be just a more covert form of manipulation/ coercion.
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