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GregFL:
"the program can't fail"

What we have here is a prime example of a adult with self inflicted hero worship onto the WWasp model. You cannot reason with them, you cannot change them, you cannot get them to see the elephant in the room.

Unfortunately, this has always been the problem. Thougthful people have always put a spotlight on these abusive programs and the majority of people have always summarily ignored the evidence. The changes in the kids are just too powerfull over the short haul. We have an instant society and this is the equivalent of Microwave popcorn for troubled kids.... Nuke em till their done.

Nothing new.....Parents have always known these programs use brainwashing, islolation and humiliation tactics. That it is okay for this to occur to their children is an indictment of our society at large...

Take a look at how long this has been going on.

 "my first reaction was awe. I actually was spellbound. After that first open meeting, my wife and I did not speak during the trip home. Our thoughts were so taken up in what we had witnessed. Some people call it brainwashing. If that's what it is, then give it to me".

A seed parent being interviewed by Staff writer Judy MckNight, St Pete Times, Circa 3/73.


After all, who wouldn't prefer Middle Earth, unless they've been corrupted by a Ring of Power?



December 24, 2002
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Antigen:
[to Deb. Greg beat me to the submit button, apparently. Damn you, Greg! Damn you to hell!!! :wink: ]
Oh, not only that, but this is nothing new. Seed/Straight/SAFE/PFC, etc. required a whole lot more involvment from parents than WWASP type programs. First, it was a rare thing for a kid to go through intake without the parents being in the building. All parties had to sign something and, if it took 8 hours to convince them, that was not a problem for Staff.

Once the kid was in the Program, newcomer parents were required to attend two open meetings a week, which could last till midnight or 1AM easily and a Parent Weekend seminar during the months their kid was on first phase. Before a kid was allowed to go home with their own parents at night, the house had to be checked out by staff. No drugs, no alcohol, locked windows and doors, extra phones, televisions, radios and such removed.

The newly accomplished oldcomer had to have an older oldcomer go live with them. This was officially a temporary measure to ensure that the kid and parents were "working the program" at home. But the pressing need to house newcomers and out of town oldcomers nearly always made it a permanent arrangement.

That's when the real fun began for the parents. Say they had their own kid(s), 2 - 4 newcomers and a couple of out of town oldcomers living in their home. All of them, of course, had to be fed and Mom got to do all the laundry. Additionally, the had to somehow figure out how to get the newcomers and 2nd phasers to the building, clients with jobs to work, others to school and themselves to work, all on time, without speeding or stopping for gas or cigaretts w/ clients in the car. That alone was a monumental effort for the family. But it doesn't stop there, oh no!

The first thing a parent found out when their kid finally "earned" 2nd phase (never knowing that the parents had to comply and show progress in working their own program before the kid could go home) was that the parents were just the niggers. They were not in charge of anything but enforcing program policies. They could not interfere or comment if an oldcomer was being cruel to their newcomer. It was the program, they couldn't possibly understand how it works and so they had to sit down and shut up.

Believe it or not, some parents actually got off on this regimen. That's where Executive Staffers come from. They're not really cloned at a secret undergound base somewhere out in the desert, as was once believed.

Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
--Winston Churchill
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[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2003-12-19 05:55 ]

GregFL:
Oh, I know they got off on it Ginger. Funny how the WWasp progrm "Cannot fail" because of family involvemnt. Hell, in 1973, all SIblings of a seedling had to go thru intake and often were coerced into going in the program even when it was obvious they didn't need it. Back then it was called a "druggie attitude". And the parents..omg. My stepmom walked around for 10 years talking like a seedling. My parents went on a hell bent recruiting mission, and we had seed signs in our car, on our house. Seed lingo replaced normal conversation and they were involved to a level of absurdity. Oh yeah, this was 1973/74.  This is new????


ALWAYS, you can count on a modern day parent or other interested adult explaining why their version of this sham is the new and improved model that works miracles.  They dress up the old transvestite in a new dress and call her a beauty queen, but we all know the truth and know what lies underneath that new dress ::deal:: .


America when will you be angelic
When will you take off your clothes....
America after all it is you and I who are perfect
Not the next world.
--Allen Ginsberg
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[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2003-12-19 06:17 ]

GregFL:
"sort of suspect that if a kid were sent into the program by trigger-happy parents, that kid would fly through the program, and,...... benefit from it. And, be aware enough to realize that they had benefited."


My favorite quote from our program apologist. Other than the obvious implication, that kids who struggle thru the program do so because of their own fault, their own problems, this is a sick statement.

This statement implies that Even if the kid doesn't really have problems, he/she in fact, still benefits from being incarcerated in thought reform/behavior modification. The technics are so beneficial that everyone wins, even those kids without sufficient problems to warrant this extreme treatment.  The program is that holy, that good...that infallible.

Shit, this lady sound very much like Art Barker who thought all of america's kids should be seedlings, for the betterment of society at large.


Madam, your crediblity with me on this topic has gone from low to zero.



[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2003-12-19 06:32 ]

Deborah:
I'm thinking it might be useful to create a timeline on the evolution of the infamous industry. Not in a thread on a message board, but more like a webpage.

Even before Seed, etc there were programs- reform homes and military "schools", others? Oh yes, adolescent psych hospitals. Had a young friend who was admitted to one in Dallas for smoking pot. Reform homes were almost always religious and without regulations. Were the old military facilities subject to regs?

I invision each entry looking something like this:

Date of opening/closing
Owner/Founder's name
Brief summary of techniques/methods (50 words)
Personal experience (50-100 words)
Links to relevant reports on the facility.

At the very least it would be interesting to see how the industry has progressed. What developments occured in which years, etc.

My preference would be that the contributor would send the above info which would then be added to the timeline.

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