Comments left for the above article, "
Mother arraigned in death of newborn; baby starved to death in Whitmore, report says" (by Jim Schultz; November 9, 2011;
Record Searchlight), #s 1-30:
Prancer3 writes: November 10, 2011 12:07 a.m.Wow. There just isn't anything to say about this situation. May the Lord bless that poor little baby...the thought of her dying alone while that mother was out partying and carrying on with her own selfish life is unbelievable.
Epicsstyle writes: November 10, 2011 2:41 a.m.Talk about selfish...Geesh!
DrSeuss writes: November 10, 2011 4:27 a.m.She didn't tell the father because she didn't want to "affect his life"...really? And she doesn't think this will? Selfish beyond belief !! Lock her up UNDER the jail.
jazavac writes: November 10, 2011 4:48 a.m."who flew down to the San Diego area earlier this week to talk to the parents and to also interview other family members and childhood friends of Bradford"
Why would we pay for this in such a cut and dried case?
jazavac writes: November 10, 2011 4:54 a.m.This is what we're teaching our children. Don't have a baby at a young age, it will ruin your life and your boyfriends life. I wonder how young she heard the message at.
Too bad that there is no one in her life that she felt she could tell who would have talk to her about other options.
Just because commenters CAN'T understand this doesn't mean they should get irrational and emotional.
The baby is with God. Let it be and care for the living. This young lady is likely to come into understanding of what she's done. When that happens I hope she has the help she needs.
UserNameUnknown writes: November 10, 2011 4:57 a.m.I'm heartbroken. This is really beyond words. I would not want to be the attorney who has to build a defense for this lady. Seems almost sociopathic to do something like this and then carry on with life as normal.
I hope this young woman wasn't in any kind of mentoring position to the "troubled youths" at this school where she graduated.
How very sad. If she was truly trying to conceal the pregnancy, so as not to "affect" her boyfriend and herself and her lifestyle, and she had already dismissed the option of giving the baby up for adoption, in my mind, this shows some degree of premeditation on her part to end this baby's life. How very, very sad and heartless.
ReddingCritic writes: November 10, 2011 5:17 a.m."Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years."
Seems as if one can't tell the difference between the "troubled teens" and the staff. It is probably time to have the state licensing people investigate this institution.
cv73 writes: November 10, 2011 5:57 a.m.You come into this world alone but you don't die alone, in our mind that baby was alone but spiritually the angels were around that little precious baby girl and then she went to her place in God's Kingdom she was not alone nor will you or I be either...
KimW writes: November 10, 2011 6:19 a.m.jazavac:
This is what we're teaching our children. Don't have a baby at a young age, it will ruin your life and your boyfriends life. I wonder how young she heard the message at.
Too bad that there is no one in her life that she felt she could tell who would have talk to her about other options.
Just because commenters CAN'T understand this doesn't mean they should get irrational and emotional.
The baby is with God. Let it be and care for the living. This young lady is likely to come into understanding of what she's done. When that happens I hope she has the help she needs.
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Thank you for a reasonable opinion.
The most facile opinion possible here is "lock her up and throw away the key."
Cases like this are hardly extreme rarities nationwide, and there is often a striking commonality to them, a girl or young woman who, inexplicably to most of us, feels trapped and entirely without options, who is not aware of assistance available, cannot avail herself of such assistance, or simply cannot avail herself of that assistance due to some personal nightmare of fear or embarrassment. Decades of imprisonment will do nothing for this young lady, or others like her, except to put her out of *our* minds, with a smug satisfaction that punishment has been meted out.
I find it hard to have any sympathy for this young lady, personally. What I do ask myself, however, is why do such unreasonable and cruel acts occur with such frequency? Why do the girls and young women who commit these acts have such similar stories?
To make a stupid and perhaps cruel analogy, and I apologize for it; It's satisfying to stomp on ants in your house. You can do it all day long, however, without any hope whatsoever of solving your ant problem. There's probably a reason they're in your house to start with. Unless you deal with *that,* you might as well like stomping ants, 'cuz you're going to be doing it forever.[/list]
KimW writes: November 10, 2011 6:30 a.m.ReddingCritic:
"Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years."
Seems as if one can't tell the difference between the "troubled teens" and the staff. It is probably time to have the state licensing people investigate this institution.
[/list][/size]YOU-->""Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years."
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*This* is a very interesting point, I'd say.
The school's primary purpose, it seems, is to deal with troubled youth. Presumably *other* staff is present who might be expected to recognize psychological and behavioral problems and the symptoms of those problems in the youths they deal with. Most of us who work with others, on the job, certainly recognize puzzling behavioral changes and other symptoms of problems in our co-workers, and often discuss them among ourselves, and with the person involved. What happened here?[/list]
scobechay writes: November 10, 2011 6:39 a.m.Everybody finds this story disturbing, but this is an act by a selfish girl, not the Christian boarding school. What I have read is that they were unaware of this girl's pregnancy, along with her friends and parents.
BANDOLERO58 writes: November 10, 2011 6:56 a.m.What a shame. Even an animal would defend its cubs to the death. Here we we have this...I could never understand why we humans act this way. Too bad, she is a beautiful girl too.
Jack_Bauer writes: November 10, 2011 7:31 a.m.(This comment was removed by the site staff.)[/list]
5Minutes writes: November 10, 2011 7:33 a.m.Having worked at JYA for a little more that a year and an experienced at risk high school teacher , let me put some minds at ease. JYA is an outstanding school that works with troubled youth that many have given up on. Phil and his staff have a passion for these kids and a hearts desire to see them set straight and equipped for adult life.
The young lady in this story most certainly has issues that we can not begin to guess or understand fully, so I wont try to here. It is beyond sad to see an innocent life terminated in this or any fashion; especially considering the baby had no ability to defend itself against it. The true definition of an innocent victim.
Now, lets think about this for 5 Minutes...
We have come to the defense of this baby, it died tragically and needlessly and its cries to be saved went unheard...
Under legal protection people kill hundreds of babies every day just as tragically, just as needlessly. They can not defend themselves and their cries go unheard. The minds and hearts of people, especially the youth, have been numbed against this barbaric action we call abortion; however is it really any different than what Jessica B did? I am NOT defending her actions by any means, I just see the value of life being diminished day by day and we now see the results in stories like this.
Think about it for 5 Minutes, it may change your mind.
LucidDream writes: November 10, 2011 7:40 a.m.KimW:
YOU-->""Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years."
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*This* is a very interesting point, I'd say.
The school's primary purpose, it seems, is to deal with troubled youth. Presumably *other* staff is present who might be expected to recognize psychological and behavioral problems and the symptoms of those problems in the youths they deal with. Most of us who work with others, on the job, certainly recognize puzzling behavioral changes and other symptoms of problems in our co-workers, and often discuss them among ourselves, and with the person involved. What happened here?
[/list][/size]Clearly the parents recognized there were issues, thus sending her to the place. It seems that praying couldn't fix this girl's underlying issues, though. Not that I'm surprised. And since she was actually considered such a success story that they hired her to work there, I'd say that the place gets a big fail.[/list]
Puddin1 writes: November 10, 2011 8 a.m.Jack_Bauer:
(This comment was removed by the site staff.)[/list][/list][/size]Certainately NOT the appropriate forum for such smug and idiotic comments such as yours. Maybe next time you should think before you speak. Reminds me of a quote I once heard that said "It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid" Try a little human dignity and sensitivity in light of the situation next time my friend.[/list]
TheKid writes: November 10, 2011 8:06 a.m.She looks like a pretty scary person to begin with. She probably planned to do this from the beginning of the prenancy.
AlohaSpirit writes: November 10, 2011 8:19 a.m.I guess next to suicide, this would be the ultimate selfish act. So many innocent people hurt by this.
I too find this incredibly hard to imagine, but as has been said, it is happenning with greater frequency. too many selfish people, I guess.
For four days of sufferring, Baby will get to spend eternity without pain, hunger, crying, etc. God bless you, Little One.
Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 8:19 a.m.Puddin1:
Certainately NOT the appropriate forum for such smug and idiotic comments such as yours. Maybe next time you should think before you speak. Reminds me of a quote I once heard that said "It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid" Try a little human dignity and sensitivity in light of the situation next time my friend.
[/list][/size]I welcome it over all these phony people who like to cry about a baby, a family, and curse a girl they no nothing about. Its princess Diana candlelight vigil syndrome all over again. No one understands what her mentality is and just wants to get out the torchs and pitchforks. My favorite so far in real insensitivity is Bandelero's comment about her being attractive. As if she were societally unattractive, this would be different. The whole problem with this is that its not our problem to judge. We should just understand.[/list]
AlohaSpirit writes: November 10, 2011 8:22 a.m.And, Puddin, I think Jack was attempting to be humorous with dripping sarcasm, but I agree that it isn't the right forum for that. A bit too disrespectful of the loss so many are sufferring.
Two wasted lives. So sad.
Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 8:39 a.m.Prancer3:
Wow. There just isn't anything to say about this situation. May the Lord bless that poor little baby...the thought of her dying alone while that mother was out partying and carrying on with her own selfish life is unbelievable.
[/list][/size]Apparently there is something to say as it seems you find a way to comment on about every story on here. No one on here knows this woman so who are we to say anything. At best, this is a ridiculous and phony attempt at empathy.[/list]
Jack_Bauer writes: November 10, 2011 8:42 a.m.AlohaSpirit:
And, Puddin, I think Jack was attempting to be humorous with dripping sarcasm, but I agree that it isn't the right forum for that. A bit too disrespectful of the loss so many are sufferring.
Two wasted lives. So sad.
[/list][/size]Actually I was just pointing out the BLATANT hypocrisy of abortion supporters who lament a dead baby who suffered because of the mother's neglect but if the mother had been smart enough to have called an abortionist a few days earlier she could've not only gotten away legally scot-free, but abortion lovers would've cheered her for exercising her "right" to kill her baby!
This sad incident reminds me of this Philadelphia story:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... of-murder/[/list]
crzyppl writes: November 10, 2011 9:14 a.m.Cynicalone:
I welcome it over all these phony people who like to cry about a baby, a family, and curse a girl they no nothing about. Its princess Diana candlelight vigil syndrome all over again. No one understands what her mentality is and just wants to get out the torchs and pitchforks. My favorite so far in real insensitivity is Bandelero's comment about her being attractive. As if she were societally unattractive, this would be different. The whole problem with this is that its not our problem to judge. We should just understand.
[/list][/size]Here you go again with your with you hypocritical judging of people for "judging" this girl. Stories like this, is what brings out emotion and opinions from people. That is human nature. When someone hears something that is upsetting and states that their disgust for the actions taken by someone, that is their right. You criticizing everyone for appall with this horrific story is your way of trying to act like you are better than someone for not "judging". Yes a person that can do something like this obviously has metal issues, but the fact that she knew what she was doing ( her own statements point out that she knew better, but didn't care!) is what is disturbing to people. So I don't know what side of the bed you rolled out on (you obviously keep choosing the wrong side) but, again get over yourself. Her own parents were at the court case, obviously disgusted and upset with the actions of their daughter. Meaning, she wasn't brought up in some horrific child hating abusive house hold that would condone such actions. This girl is sick and deserves no sympathy. She doesn't need people like you defending her and having some bleeding heart for her actions while making up excuses. She did it, admitted to it, and doesn't care, end of story.[/list]
suku writes: November 10, 2011 9:20 a.m.Jack_Bauer:
Actually I was just pointing out the BLATANT hypocrisy of abortion supporters who lament a dead baby who suffered because of the mother's neglect but if the mother had been smart enough to have called an abortionist a few days earlier she could've not only gotten away legally scot-free, but abortion lovers would've cheered her for exercising her "right" to kill her baby!
This sad incident reminds me of this Philadelphia story:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... of-murder/[/list][/list][/size]Whoa. I think you'd be happier in Mississippi. A few days earlier? Blatant hypocrisy? Abortion lover? Cheered? What's the matter with you? Did your mother threaten you with abortion as a child? Is this the male version of penis envy? Freud calls it castration anxiety but I think he was too fixated on male anatomy for his terminology to make the corresponding leap from penis to uterus. It's not yours to make decisions for, you can't have one and never will. PLEASE get used to the idea ... unless you'd like us women (and other men) to take civil liberties with the capabilities of your penis.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/aborti ... _legal.htm[/list]
Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 9:31 a.m.crzyppl:
Here you go again with your with you hypocritical judging of people for "judging" this girl. Stories like this, is what brings out emotion and opinions from people. That is human nature. When someone hears something that is upsetting and states that their disgust for the actions taken by someone, that is their right. You criticizing everyone for appall with this horrific story is your way of trying to act like you are better than someone for not "judging". Yes a person that can do something like this obviously has metal issues, but the fact that she knew what she was doing ( her own statements point out that she knew better, but didn't care!) is what is disturbing to people. So I don't know what side of the bed you rolled out on (you obviously keep choosing the wrong side) but, again get over yourself. Her own parents were at the court case, obviously disgusted and upset with the actions of their daughter. Meaning, she wasn't brought up in some horrific child hating abusive house hold that would condone such actions. This girl is sick and deserves no sympathy. She doesn't need people like you defending her and having some bleeding heart for her actions while making up excuses. She did it, admitted to it, and doesn't care, end of story.
[/list][/size]Where do you get me judging people when I clearly say that we have no right to judge and should just attempt to understand this woman. Why do you keep reitterating what she did? No where in my comment am I defending her. I guess it is human nature to go and bother ourselves about something we know nothing and can/will do nothing about. So now that all the crying is over on this, why dont we move on to the homeless man who was killed, I noticed there were only 4 comments on him this am. "metal issues" That is awesome.[/list]
idealistic writes: November 10, 2011 9:33 a.m.Cynicalone:
I welcome it over all these phony people who like to cry about a baby, a family, and curse a girl they no nothing about. Its princess Diana candlelight vigil syndrome all over again. No one understands what her mentality is and just wants to get out the torchs and pitchforks. My favorite so far in real insensitivity is Bandelero's comment about her being attractive. As if she were societally unattractive, this would be different. The whole problem with this is that its not our problem to judge. We should just understand.
[/list][/size]Are you kidding? It may not be our place to judge, but you want us to 'just understand'? How outrageous is that? She knew what she was doing, considering that she 'occassionally checked" on the baby. Wow. I am just dumbfounded by your opinion...[/list]
Treebones writes: November 10, 2011 9:34 a.m.Trying to equate this action by a mentally disturbed women with abortion is ridiculous.
Quite the stretch of the imagination to make a political point.
NotBornYesterday writes: November 10, 2011 9:35 a.m.jazavac:
This is what we're teaching our children. Don't have a baby at a young age, it will ruin your life and your boyfriends life. I wonder how young she heard the message at.
Too bad that there is no one in her life that she felt she could tell who would have talk to her about other options.
Just because commenters CAN'T understand this doesn't mean they should get irrational and emotional.
The baby is with God. Let it be and care for the living. This young lady is likely to come into understanding of what she's done. When that happens I hope she has the help she needs.
[/list][/size]Good points! This is a side that should be thought about however, I tend to believe that there is no other explanation for this girls behavior than she definitely has to have some mental health issues. How did she obtain these issues? I won't presume to know but, I do know I heard those same messages at a young age and I chose to not have a baby as a teen, if I would have, I would never have considered to hide it in a laundry basket. Something else made this girl fear that baby.
The baby is in the best place it could be, may god bless you little baby....[/list]
Jack_Bauer writes: November 10, 2011 9:41 a.m.suku:
Whoa. I think you'd be happier in Mississippi. A few days earlier? Blatant hypocrisy? Abortion lover? Cheered? What's the matter with you? Did your mother threaten you with abortion as a child? Is this the male version of penis envy? Freud calls it castration anxiety but I think he was too fixated on male anatomy for his terminology to make the corresponding leap from penis to uterus. It's not yours to make decisions for, you can't have one and never will. PLEASE get used to the idea ... unless you'd like us women (and other men) to take civil liberties with the capabilities of your penis.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/aborti ... _legal.htm[/list][/list][/size]So you see nothing wrong in the situations where a "mother" can have an abortion 8 months and 29 days into the pregnancy, but if the baby is born a day later, that baby now has a right to life when just the day before it didn't? At some point the uterus ends and another person begins... When is that magic point for you?
Now, I'm not an extremist and think the pill should be legal (and probably even over the counter), but I see something wrong in the situation where a "fetus" becomes a "person" based purely on whether the "mother" decides she wants it or not, even in the third trimester. The fact is if this so-called mother had just gone to an abortionist a few days before giving birth that baby would've been just as dead, and not a peep would've been said or heard about it.[/list]
crzyppl writes: November 10, 2011 9:48 a.m.Cynicalone:
Where do you get me judging people when I clearly say that we have no right to judge and should just attempt to understand this woman. Why do you keep reitterating what she did? No where in my comment am I defending her. I guess it is human nature to go and bother ourselves about something we know nothing and can/will do nothing about. So now that all the crying is over on this, why dont we move on to the homeless man who was killed, I noticed there were only 4 comments on him this am. "metal issues" That is awesome.
[/list][/size]Where do I get you judging people? In every comment of yours, that's where. You respond to every comment that has someone stating a personal opinion and observation of how they feel by this story. You keep telling everyone they need to stay neutral because we don't know the mental state of this girl. Well the mental state of this girl is "messed up beyond repair", that's her mental state. She admitted to this, meaning she was of conscience mind while performing these acts. She tried to quiet the baby, she tried to hide the whole thing, she knew what she was doing was wrong. She said she thought about surrendering the baby to a safe house, but decided against it. To me, at that point it is premeditated murder. Thinking about not doing this then deciding to do it is a decision she made. We didn't make this up.
As for the homeless guy that was stabbed I A) didn't see this story and B) think that this story is more disturbing and horrific than someone who lives a life or risk like that getting stabbed. Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying that it is ok or that I don't care, I'm just saying that this story, as a parent, touches home with me more.[/list]
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