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Julian Youth Academy employee arrested in death of baby
cmack:
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It's not necessary, but I thought you might have your own personal website like this one: http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/INMEMORIAM.html
Ursus:
Comments left for the above article, "Mom Of Mummified Baby Heads To Court" (by Kerry Loring; November 9, 2011; KRCR·TV):
Claire Andresen · Top Commenter · Los Angeles, California · November 9, 2011 at 11:07pm
STOP referring to the baby as "it". Thank you!Cari Brown · Personal Banker at Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. · November 11, 2011 at 1:00pm
I was sent to this "boarding school" when I was 15 it was the WORST 8 months of my life! I hope it gets shut down!Bruce Morgan · Ridgewood High School · November 13, 2011 at 12:18pm
Keep your negative crap to yourself, you self-centered d-bag.Bruce Morgan · Ridgewood High School · November 13, 2011 at 12:22pm
And maybe if you used your time better while you were at the school, you could spell better than my 3-year old. E.S.A.D.Cari Brown · Personal Banker at Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. · November 13, 2011 at 10:35pm
FYI- Jennifer Treadwell- Brown is my step mom and when she questioned their tactics and the "program" she was threatened![/list]
Krystal Canlas · Upland, California · November 12, 2011 at 11:29am
I WENT TO THIS HORRIBLE PLACE FOR 18 MONTHS AND I AGREE THE STAFF HAD DIFFERENT SEXUAL PREFERENCES AND WERENT AT ALL ROLE MODELS OF ANY SORT.Jessica Duperon · LCC Intl University · November 12, 2011 at 9:40pm
I hope she rots. What kind of heartless monster could watch a baby starve to death this makes me sick to my stomach.Alison Wonderland · Santa Barbara, California · November 30, 2011 at 1:25pm
I can see her getting murder attempts a la Nadia Sulyeman. I wouldnt be at all surprised.[/list]
Jordan Courtney Wright · November 18, 2011 at 8:43pm
Who is this Bruce Morgan? WTF he is in high school and talks to people this way? Must be Phil's son...
BAHAHAHAHAlexandria Newlin · November 20, 2011 at 10:53pm
Most likely related to Tiffany Morgan, the girl who didn't call the cops for two days! he is friends with her on fb. Hmmm just saying.[/list]
Alison Wonderland · Santa Barbara, California · November 30, 2011 at 10:46am
Even though I am not condoning name-calling and sh! t fights, I always like that any site mentioning JYA initiates extreme controversy. It has continually been made clear that those of us who attended the school (I "graduated" the program in 2000 after 15 1/2 months in an honorable way) are not advocates of the program for many different reasons, including mental health-based and documented trauma, among many others. All I have to say AGAIN (myself and others have been trying to spread the truth about harmful programs for YEARS) is IT SHOULD NOT TAKE MORE TRAGEDY TO ALERT THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE SERIOUS NATURE OF THE HARM THIS AND MANY PROGRAMS CAUSE!
If you are not outraged, YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!
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Alison Wonderland · Santa Barbara, California · November 30, 2011 at 10:49am
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Ursus:
The arraignment back in November...
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The Record Searchlight
Mother arraigned in death of newborn; baby starved to death in Whitmore, report says
By Jim Schultz
Posted November 9, 2011 at 11:26 p.m.
Jessica Bradford appears in Shasta County Superior Court on Wednesday. Bradford, 23, is accused of murdering her 4-day-old daughter in mid-September.
As her parents sat discreetly in the back row of the courtroom, a 23-year-old woman accused of murdering her 4-day-old daughter was arraigned Wednesday in Shasta County Superior Court.
It did not appear that Jessica Nicole Bradford made eye contact with her parents, who quickly left the courtroom following her brief appearance before Superior Court Judge James Ruggiero.
"They are devastated," said Shasta County sheriff's Detective Eric Magrini, who flew down to the San Diego area earlier this week to talk to the parents and to also interview other family members and childhood friends of Bradford. "It's been very hard on them."
None of those interviewed, he said, had been aware that Bradford had been pregnant, including her parents.
"The joy of being grandparents was taken from them," Magrini said.
Bradford, who did not enter a plea and is scheduled to return to court on Nov. 16 for further arraignment, is charged with murder, child abuse and a related enhancement.
She faces life in prison if convicted, said Senior Deputy District Attorney Kelly Kafel, who is prosecuting the case.
Kafel said the circumstances surrounding Bradford's case are hard to bear.
"It's heartbreaking," she said. "A victim doesn't get any more innocent."
Deputies arrested Bradford on Monday for allegedly allowing her 4-day-old daughter to starve to death.
"It's unbelievable," said sheriff's Sgt. Steve Grashoff, saying the case is among the most gruesome and troubling he's encountered during his 21-year law enforcement career.
"It's one of them," he said.
As investigators continue to interview witnesses and develop more information, Detective Brian Jackson said the baby's mummified body was found Sunday afternoon at the Julian Youth Academy in the 12000 block of Tintagel Lane in Whitmore after a school employee alerted authorities.
Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years.
According to a sheriff's two-page summary of events filed Wednesday in Superior Court, a woman identified as Tiffany Morgan called an emergency dispatcher around 5:45 p.m. on Sunday.
She told authorities a dead baby had apparently been seen in a staff member's room inside a laundry basket around 11:30 p.m. Friday while other staff members were looking for a blanket.
Although it's still not clear why deputies were not alerted earlier, Bradford told detectives she gave birth to the child on Sept. 19, but believed the baby was stillborn.
Bradford said she kept the baby hidden in a laundry basket in her room for about a month and a half after she died, but moved the body into a utility closet Friday after realizing the blankets covering her had been disturbed that day.
She said she did not tell anyone that she was pregnant, including her boyfriend of about three years, who has not been identified.
Kafel said Bradford apparently was able to hide her pregnancy by wearing baggy clothes.
During subsequent interviews with investigators, however, Bradford changed her story, admitting the baby was not stillborn and had lived for about four days, the sheriff's report said.
Although she had thoughts of giving the baby up for adoption, she chose not to for various reasons, the sheriff's report added.
Bradford told deputies she kept the baby in a vacant residence on campus and would occasionally check on it.
She continued to go to work, see her boyfriend and drove to Redding at least twice for personal business, the report said.
She told sheriff's investigators she didn't feed the baby, but tried to give the girl water when she cried, the sheriff's report said.
"Bradford admitted she neglected to care for the baby by not feeding it or being able to provide breast milk for feeding," the sheriff's report said.
Bradford also told detectives she never told anyone about the baby or her pregnancy because she feared she would lose her job and her lifestyle.
"She did not want to tell her boyfriend about the baby because she did not want to affect his life and her life," the sheriff's report said.
Bradford is being held in Shasta County jail in lieu of $1 million bail.
© 2011 Record Searchlight.
Ursus:
Doc included with the just above article, namely, the actual charges filed against Bradford:
* People vs. Jessica Nicole Bradford
This is actually a small collection of docs (6 pp total), which include the charges, police reports, etc.
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F I L E D
NOV 09 2011
CLERK OF THE SUPERIOR COURT
BY: TRACY FISHER, DEPUTY CLERK
File No. F-11-06931
STEPHEN S. CARLTON
DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Shasta County
1355 West Street
Redding, CA 96001
(530) 245-6300
shastada@co.shasta.ca.us
Attorney for Plaintiff
IN THE SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF SHASTA
Redding Branch[/list]
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
Plaintiff,
vs.
JESSICA NICOLE BRADFORD,
AKA: JESSICA N BRADFORD
Defendant(s)
No. 11-06931
AMENDED
COMPLAINT-CRIMINAL
Felony
Next Court Date: 11/09/2011
DA # F-11-06931
SHASTA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT 1136058
The District Attorney of Shasta County, by and through the undersigned Deputy District Attorney, on information and belief, complains and accuses defendant(s) of having committed, in the County of Shasta, State of California, the crime(s) of:
COUNT 1[/list]
MURDER, in violation of Section 187(A) of the Penal Code, a Felony.
Defendant JESSICA NICOLE BRADFORD,
On or about the 23rd day of September, 2011, did willfully, unlawfully, deliberately, with premeditation and malice aforethought murder BABY JANE DOE, a HUMAN BEING.
It is further alleged that the aforesaid murder was committed willfully, deliberately and with premeditation and is a serious felony pursuant to Penal Code section 1192.7(c).
COUNT 2[/list]
CHILD ABUSE, in violation of Section 273A(A) of the Penal Code, a Felony.
Defendant JESSICA NICOLE BRADFORD,
On or about the 23rd day of September, 2011, did willfully and unlawfully, under circumstances and conditions likely to produce great bodily harm or death, cause and permit a child to suffer and did inflict thereon unjustifiable physical pain and mental suffering; and having the care and custody of a child, did cause and permit that child to be injured; and did cause and permit that child to be placed in a situation where her person and health were endangered.
ENHANCEMENTS[/list]
12022.95 PC SPECIAL ALLEGATION OF HARM OR INJURY RESULTING IN DEATH OF CHILD
It is further alleged that defendant JESSICA NICOLE BRADFORD,
As to Count 2, did cause or permit any child to suffer, or inflict thereon unjustifiable physical pain or injury that results in death, or having the care or custody of any child, under circumstances likely to produce great bodily harm or death, willfully causes or permits that child to be injured or harmed, and that injury or harm results in death.
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KELLY KAFEL
Deputy District Attorney
Subscribed and sworn to before
this 9TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2011
Pursuant to Penal Code Section 1054.5(b), the People are hereby informally requesting that defense counsel provide discovery to the people as required by Penal Code Section 1054.3.
KK/clo
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HOLDING ORDER
_______ It appearing to me that the offense(s) in the within complaint has/have been committed, and that there is sufficient cause to believe that the defendant(s)
JESSICA NICOLE BRADFORD,
AKA: JESSICA N BRADFORDis guilty thereof.
The defendant(s)
JESSICA NICOLE BRADFORD,
JESSICA N BRADFORDhaving waived preliminary hearing to the offense(s) set forth in this complaint,
Exceptions/Additions/Conditions:
_______ I order that the defendant be held to answer to same. In my capacity as Judge of the Superior Court, I deem the within complaint to be an Information and order it filed in the Superior Court.
_______ I order that the defendant be held to answer to same. An Information is to be filed by the District Attorney's Office within the statutory time limit for defendant's arraignment on said Information.
Date: _______ Dept. _______ _____________________
Judge of the Superior Court
Sitting as Magistrate
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SHASTA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
Narrative: On 11-06-11 at 1725 hours, Tiffany Morgan reported one of her staff members (Kori Alugas) possibly saw a deceased baby in another staff (Jessica Bradford's) room on Friday 11-04-11 around 2330 hours. Deputy Ruiz and I arrived at 12069 Tintagel Lane #B2 and located a baby inside a laundry basket which was located inside of a laundry room adjacent to Jessica's residence. This investigation was turned over to Detective Jackson upon his arrival.
Case status: Forward to Major Crimes
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IMAGED
NOV 09 2011
By < initials >
Report No. 11-36058
Officer ID No. 174
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RECEIVED
Nov 09 2011
SHASTA COUNTY SHERIFF
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187 PC: Murder
(S) Bradford, Jessica
Case No# 11-36058
Summary of Events
Detective B. Jackson ID# 150
Summary of Events[/list]
INVESTIGATION:
On 11/06/11, Sunday, at 1745 hours, Tiffany Morgan reported to dispatch a suspicious circumstance possible involving a deceased baby located at 12069 Tintagel Lane, Whitmore, CA (Julian Academy, a school for troubled teams). Morgan reported the deceased baby was originally seen in a staff member's room inside a laundry basket on 11/04/11, Friday at approximately 2330 hours while other staff members were looking for a blanket. The staff member's room was identified as belonging to Jessica Bradford.
Deputy Tippings responded to the location and spoke with Bradford who admitted the baby was hers. Bradford told Deputy Tippings that she originally gave birth to the baby on 09/19/11 outside the residence and believed the baby was stillborn at that time. Bradford admitted she kept the baby inside her room since then and moved it to a nearby utility room after she realized blankets covering the baby had been disturbed on 11/04/11. Bradford told Deputy Tippings that she did not tell anyone that she was pregnant which included her boyfriend of approximately three years and her immediate family.
Deputy Tippings telephoned me at my residence and I responded to the location with other detectives for further investigation due to the late reporting of the baby's death and suspicious behavior of Bradford.
I interviewed Bradford after transporting her to the Shasta County Sheriff's Office, Major Crimes Unit. Bradford initially told me she gave birth to the baby on 09/19/11 in the early morning hours. Bradford stated she gave birth outside of her room under a deck attached to her residence to avoid anyone from hearing her. Bradford stated after the baby was born, the baby was not breathing and was limp causing her to believe the baby was stillborn.
During this interview and subsequent interviews later in the day on 11/07/11, Bradford changed her story and admitted to me that the baby was not stillborn and lived for approximately four days. Bradford told me she did not name the baby which was suspicious. Bradford stated she had thoughts of giving the baby up for adoption however chose not to for various reasons. Bradford admitted she neglected to care for the baby by not feeding it or being able to provide breast milk for feeding. Bradford admitted she did not tell anybody, including her family, about the baby due to fear of scrutiny. Bradford kept the baby in a vacant residence on campus and would check on the baby periodically while she still worked, visited with her boyfriend and drove to Redding for personal business on at least two occasions. Bradford told me she tried to provide the baby some water when the baby cried. She did not tell her boyfriend about the baby because she did not want to affect his life and her life.
After the baby's death, Bradford kept the child secreted in her room in a laundry basket for approximately a month and a half until the baby was seen by another staff member. Bradford realized that someone had possibly seen the baby and decided to move the baby on Friday, 11/04/11 into a utility closet where the baby was ultimately located.
When located the baby was in a mummified state of decomposition; however was a fully developed, full term baby.
Bradford was subsequently arrested for 187 PC: Murder and 273a(a) PC: Willful Cruelty to a Child and booked into the Shasta County Jail.
Case Status: Refer to D.A. for Arraignment.
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IMAGED
NOV 09 2011
BY < initials >
B.Jackson ID# 150
11/08/11, 1600 hrs
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RECEIVED
NOV 09 2011
SHASTA COUNTY SHERIFF
Ursus:
Comments left for the above article, "Mother arraigned in death of newborn; baby starved to death in Whitmore, report says" (by Jim Schultz; November 9, 2011; Record Searchlight), #s 1-30:
Prancer3 writes: November 10, 2011 12:07 a.m.
Wow. There just isn't anything to say about this situation. May the Lord bless that poor little baby...the thought of her dying alone while that mother was out partying and carrying on with her own selfish life is unbelievable.Epicsstyle writes: November 10, 2011 2:41 a.m.
Talk about selfish...Geesh!DrSeuss writes: November 10, 2011 4:27 a.m.
She didn't tell the father because she didn't want to "affect his life"...really? And she doesn't think this will? Selfish beyond belief !! Lock her up UNDER the jail.jazavac writes: November 10, 2011 4:48 a.m.
"who flew down to the San Diego area earlier this week to talk to the parents and to also interview other family members and childhood friends of Bradford"
Why would we pay for this in such a cut and dried case?jazavac writes: November 10, 2011 4:54 a.m.
This is what we're teaching our children. Don't have a baby at a young age, it will ruin your life and your boyfriends life. I wonder how young she heard the message at.
Too bad that there is no one in her life that she felt she could tell who would have talk to her about other options.
Just because commenters CAN'T understand this doesn't mean they should get irrational and emotional.
The baby is with God. Let it be and care for the living. This young lady is likely to come into understanding of what she's done. When that happens I hope she has the help she needs.UserNameUnknown writes: November 10, 2011 4:57 a.m.
I'm heartbroken. This is really beyond words. I would not want to be the attorney who has to build a defense for this lady. Seems almost sociopathic to do something like this and then carry on with life as normal.
I hope this young woman wasn't in any kind of mentoring position to the "troubled youths" at this school where she graduated.
How very sad. If she was truly trying to conceal the pregnancy, so as not to "affect" her boyfriend and herself and her lifestyle, and she had already dismissed the option of giving the baby up for adoption, in my mind, this shows some degree of premeditation on her part to end this baby's life. How very, very sad and heartless.ReddingCritic writes: November 10, 2011 5:17 a.m.
"Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years."
Seems as if one can't tell the difference between the "troubled teens" and the staff. It is probably time to have the state licensing people investigate this institution.cv73 writes: November 10, 2011 5:57 a.m.
You come into this world alone but you don't die alone, in our mind that baby was alone but spiritually the angels were around that little precious baby girl and then she went to her place in God's Kingdom she was not alone nor will you or I be either...KimW writes: November 10, 2011 6:19 a.m.
in response to jazavac:
This is what we're teaching our children. Don't have a baby at a young age, it will ruin your life and your boyfriends life. I wonder how young she heard the message at.
Too bad that there is no one in her life that she felt she could tell who would have talk to her about other options.
Just because commenters CAN'T understand this doesn't mean they should get irrational and emotional.
The baby is with God. Let it be and care for the living. This young lady is likely to come into understanding of what she's done. When that happens I hope she has the help she needs.[/list][/size]************
Thank you for a reasonable opinion.
The most facile opinion possible here is "lock her up and throw away the key."
Cases like this are hardly extreme rarities nationwide, and there is often a striking commonality to them, a girl or young woman who, inexplicably to most of us, feels trapped and entirely without options, who is not aware of assistance available, cannot avail herself of such assistance, or simply cannot avail herself of that assistance due to some personal nightmare of fear or embarrassment. Decades of imprisonment will do nothing for this young lady, or others like her, except to put her out of *our* minds, with a smug satisfaction that punishment has been meted out.
I find it hard to have any sympathy for this young lady, personally. What I do ask myself, however, is why do such unreasonable and cruel acts occur with such frequency? Why do the girls and young women who commit these acts have such similar stories?
To make a stupid and perhaps cruel analogy, and I apologize for it; It's satisfying to stomp on ants in your house. You can do it all day long, however, without any hope whatsoever of solving your ant problem. There's probably a reason they're in your house to start with. Unless you deal with *that,* you might as well like stomping ants, 'cuz you're going to be doing it forever.[/list]
KimW writes: November 10, 2011 6:30 a.m.
in response to ReddingCritic:
"Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years."
Seems as if one can't tell the difference between the "troubled teens" and the staff. It is probably time to have the state licensing people investigate this institution.[/list][/size]YOU-->""Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years."
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*This* is a very interesting point, I'd say.
The school's primary purpose, it seems, is to deal with troubled youth. Presumably *other* staff is present who might be expected to recognize psychological and behavioral problems and the symptoms of those problems in the youths they deal with. Most of us who work with others, on the job, certainly recognize puzzling behavioral changes and other symptoms of problems in our co-workers, and often discuss them among ourselves, and with the person involved. What happened here?[/list]
scobechay writes: November 10, 2011 6:39 a.m.
Everybody finds this story disturbing, but this is an act by a selfish girl, not the Christian boarding school. What I have read is that they were unaware of this girl's pregnancy, along with her friends and parents.BANDOLERO58 writes: November 10, 2011 6:56 a.m.
What a shame. Even an animal would defend its cubs to the death. Here we we have this...I could never understand why we humans act this way. Too bad, she is a beautiful girl too.Jack_Bauer writes: November 10, 2011 7:31 a.m.
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5Minutes writes: November 10, 2011 7:33 a.m.
Having worked at JYA for a little more that a year and an experienced at risk high school teacher , let me put some minds at ease. JYA is an outstanding school that works with troubled youth that many have given up on. Phil and his staff have a passion for these kids and a hearts desire to see them set straight and equipped for adult life.
The young lady in this story most certainly has issues that we can not begin to guess or understand fully, so I wont try to here. It is beyond sad to see an innocent life terminated in this or any fashion; especially considering the baby had no ability to defend itself against it. The true definition of an innocent victim.
Now, lets think about this for 5 Minutes...
We have come to the defense of this baby, it died tragically and needlessly and its cries to be saved went unheard...
Under legal protection people kill hundreds of babies every day just as tragically, just as needlessly. They can not defend themselves and their cries go unheard. The minds and hearts of people, especially the youth, have been numbed against this barbaric action we call abortion; however is it really any different than what Jessica B did? I am NOT defending her actions by any means, I just see the value of life being diminished day by day and we now see the results in stories like this.
Think about it for 5 Minutes, it may change your mind.LucidDream writes: November 10, 2011 7:40 a.m.
in response to KimW:
YOU-->""Bradford is a former student at the private Christian boarding school for troubled teens and had been a staff worker there for about three or four years."
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*This* is a very interesting point, I'd say.
The school's primary purpose, it seems, is to deal with troubled youth. Presumably *other* staff is present who might be expected to recognize psychological and behavioral problems and the symptoms of those problems in the youths they deal with. Most of us who work with others, on the job, certainly recognize puzzling behavioral changes and other symptoms of problems in our co-workers, and often discuss them among ourselves, and with the person involved. What happened here?[/list][/size]Clearly the parents recognized there were issues, thus sending her to the place. It seems that praying couldn't fix this girl's underlying issues, though. Not that I'm surprised. And since she was actually considered such a success story that they hired her to work there, I'd say that the place gets a big fail.[/list]
Puddin1 writes: November 10, 2011 8 a.m.
in response to Jack_Bauer:
(This comment was removed by the site staff.)[/list][/list][/size]Certainately NOT the appropriate forum for such smug and idiotic comments such as yours. Maybe next time you should think before you speak. Reminds me of a quote I once heard that said "It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid" Try a little human dignity and sensitivity in light of the situation next time my friend.[/list]
TheKid writes: November 10, 2011 8:06 a.m.
She looks like a pretty scary person to begin with. She probably planned to do this from the beginning of the prenancy.AlohaSpirit writes: November 10, 2011 8:19 a.m.
I guess next to suicide, this would be the ultimate selfish act. So many innocent people hurt by this.
I too find this incredibly hard to imagine, but as has been said, it is happenning with greater frequency. too many selfish people, I guess.
For four days of sufferring, Baby will get to spend eternity without pain, hunger, crying, etc. God bless you, Little One.Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 8:19 a.m.
in response to Puddin1:
Certainately NOT the appropriate forum for such smug and idiotic comments such as yours. Maybe next time you should think before you speak. Reminds me of a quote I once heard that said "It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid" Try a little human dignity and sensitivity in light of the situation next time my friend.[/list][/size]I welcome it over all these phony people who like to cry about a baby, a family, and curse a girl they no nothing about. Its princess Diana candlelight vigil syndrome all over again. No one understands what her mentality is and just wants to get out the torchs and pitchforks. My favorite so far in real insensitivity is Bandelero's comment about her being attractive. As if she were societally unattractive, this would be different. The whole problem with this is that its not our problem to judge. We should just understand.[/list]
AlohaSpirit writes: November 10, 2011 8:22 a.m.
And, Puddin, I think Jack was attempting to be humorous with dripping sarcasm, but I agree that it isn't the right forum for that. A bit too disrespectful of the loss so many are sufferring.
Two wasted lives. So sad.Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 8:39 a.m.
in response to Prancer3:
Wow. There just isn't anything to say about this situation. May the Lord bless that poor little baby...the thought of her dying alone while that mother was out partying and carrying on with her own selfish life is unbelievable.[/list][/size]Apparently there is something to say as it seems you find a way to comment on about every story on here. No one on here knows this woman so who are we to say anything. At best, this is a ridiculous and phony attempt at empathy.[/list]
Jack_Bauer writes: November 10, 2011 8:42 a.m.
in response to AlohaSpirit:
And, Puddin, I think Jack was attempting to be humorous with dripping sarcasm, but I agree that it isn't the right forum for that. A bit too disrespectful of the loss so many are sufferring.
Two wasted lives. So sad.[/list][/size]Actually I was just pointing out the BLATANT hypocrisy of abortion supporters who lament a dead baby who suffered because of the mother's neglect but if the mother had been smart enough to have called an abortionist a few days earlier she could've not only gotten away legally scot-free, but abortion lovers would've cheered her for exercising her "right" to kill her baby!
This sad incident reminds me of this Philadelphia story:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... of-murder/[/list]
crzyppl writes: November 10, 2011 9:14 a.m.
in response to Cynicalone:
I welcome it over all these phony people who like to cry about a baby, a family, and curse a girl they no nothing about. Its princess Diana candlelight vigil syndrome all over again. No one understands what her mentality is and just wants to get out the torchs and pitchforks. My favorite so far in real insensitivity is Bandelero's comment about her being attractive. As if she were societally unattractive, this would be different. The whole problem with this is that its not our problem to judge. We should just understand.[/list][/size]Here you go again with your with you hypocritical judging of people for "judging" this girl. Stories like this, is what brings out emotion and opinions from people. That is human nature. When someone hears something that is upsetting and states that their disgust for the actions taken by someone, that is their right. You criticizing everyone for appall with this horrific story is your way of trying to act like you are better than someone for not "judging". Yes a person that can do something like this obviously has metal issues, but the fact that she knew what she was doing ( her own statements point out that she knew better, but didn't care!) is what is disturbing to people. So I don't know what side of the bed you rolled out on (you obviously keep choosing the wrong side) but, again get over yourself. Her own parents were at the court case, obviously disgusted and upset with the actions of their daughter. Meaning, she wasn't brought up in some horrific child hating abusive house hold that would condone such actions. This girl is sick and deserves no sympathy. She doesn't need people like you defending her and having some bleeding heart for her actions while making up excuses. She did it, admitted to it, and doesn't care, end of story.[/list]
suku writes: November 10, 2011 9:20 a.m.
in response to Jack_Bauer:
Actually I was just pointing out the BLATANT hypocrisy of abortion supporters who lament a dead baby who suffered because of the mother's neglect but if the mother had been smart enough to have called an abortionist a few days earlier she could've not only gotten away legally scot-free, but abortion lovers would've cheered her for exercising her "right" to kill her baby!
This sad incident reminds me of this Philadelphia story:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... of-murder/[/list][/list][/size]Whoa. I think you'd be happier in Mississippi. A few days earlier? Blatant hypocrisy? Abortion lover? Cheered? What's the matter with you? Did your mother threaten you with abortion as a child? Is this the male version of penis envy? Freud calls it castration anxiety but I think he was too fixated on male anatomy for his terminology to make the corresponding leap from penis to uterus. It's not yours to make decisions for, you can't have one and never will. PLEASE get used to the idea ... unless you'd like us women (and other men) to take civil liberties with the capabilities of your penis.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/aborti ... _legal.htm[/list]
Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 9:31 a.m.
in response to crzyppl:
Here you go again with your with you hypocritical judging of people for "judging" this girl. Stories like this, is what brings out emotion and opinions from people. That is human nature. When someone hears something that is upsetting and states that their disgust for the actions taken by someone, that is their right. You criticizing everyone for appall with this horrific story is your way of trying to act like you are better than someone for not "judging". Yes a person that can do something like this obviously has metal issues, but the fact that she knew what she was doing ( her own statements point out that she knew better, but didn't care!) is what is disturbing to people. So I don't know what side of the bed you rolled out on (you obviously keep choosing the wrong side) but, again get over yourself. Her own parents were at the court case, obviously disgusted and upset with the actions of their daughter. Meaning, she wasn't brought up in some horrific child hating abusive house hold that would condone such actions. This girl is sick and deserves no sympathy. She doesn't need people like you defending her and having some bleeding heart for her actions while making up excuses. She did it, admitted to it, and doesn't care, end of story.[/list][/size]Where do you get me judging people when I clearly say that we have no right to judge and should just attempt to understand this woman. Why do you keep reitterating what she did? No where in my comment am I defending her. I guess it is human nature to go and bother ourselves about something we know nothing and can/will do nothing about. So now that all the crying is over on this, why dont we move on to the homeless man who was killed, I noticed there were only 4 comments on him this am. "metal issues" That is awesome.[/list]
idealistic writes: November 10, 2011 9:33 a.m.
in response to Cynicalone:
I welcome it over all these phony people who like to cry about a baby, a family, and curse a girl they no nothing about. Its princess Diana candlelight vigil syndrome all over again. No one understands what her mentality is and just wants to get out the torchs and pitchforks. My favorite so far in real insensitivity is Bandelero's comment about her being attractive. As if she were societally unattractive, this would be different. The whole problem with this is that its not our problem to judge. We should just understand.[/list][/size]Are you kidding? It may not be our place to judge, but you want us to 'just understand'? How outrageous is that? She knew what she was doing, considering that she 'occassionally checked" on the baby. Wow. I am just dumbfounded by your opinion...[/list]
Treebones writes: November 10, 2011 9:34 a.m.
Trying to equate this action by a mentally disturbed women with abortion is ridiculous.
Quite the stretch of the imagination to make a political point.NotBornYesterday writes: November 10, 2011 9:35 a.m.
in response to jazavac:
This is what we're teaching our children. Don't have a baby at a young age, it will ruin your life and your boyfriends life. I wonder how young she heard the message at.
Too bad that there is no one in her life that she felt she could tell who would have talk to her about other options.
Just because commenters CAN'T understand this doesn't mean they should get irrational and emotional.
The baby is with God. Let it be and care for the living. This young lady is likely to come into understanding of what she's done. When that happens I hope she has the help she needs.[/list][/size]Good points! This is a side that should be thought about however, I tend to believe that there is no other explanation for this girls behavior than she definitely has to have some mental health issues. How did she obtain these issues? I won't presume to know but, I do know I heard those same messages at a young age and I chose to not have a baby as a teen, if I would have, I would never have considered to hide it in a laundry basket. Something else made this girl fear that baby.
The baby is in the best place it could be, may god bless you little baby....[/list]
Jack_Bauer writes: November 10, 2011 9:41 a.m.
in response to suku:
Whoa. I think you'd be happier in Mississippi. A few days earlier? Blatant hypocrisy? Abortion lover? Cheered? What's the matter with you? Did your mother threaten you with abortion as a child? Is this the male version of penis envy? Freud calls it castration anxiety but I think he was too fixated on male anatomy for his terminology to make the corresponding leap from penis to uterus. It's not yours to make decisions for, you can't have one and never will. PLEASE get used to the idea ... unless you'd like us women (and other men) to take civil liberties with the capabilities of your penis.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/aborti ... _legal.htm[/list][/list][/size]So you see nothing wrong in the situations where a "mother" can have an abortion 8 months and 29 days into the pregnancy, but if the baby is born a day later, that baby now has a right to life when just the day before it didn't? At some point the uterus ends and another person begins... When is that magic point for you?
Now, I'm not an extremist and think the pill should be legal (and probably even over the counter), but I see something wrong in the situation where a "fetus" becomes a "person" based purely on whether the "mother" decides she wants it or not, even in the third trimester. The fact is if this so-called mother had just gone to an abortionist a few days before giving birth that baby would've been just as dead, and not a peep would've been said or heard about it.[/list]
crzyppl writes: November 10, 2011 9:48 a.m.
in response to Cynicalone:
Where do you get me judging people when I clearly say that we have no right to judge and should just attempt to understand this woman. Why do you keep reitterating what she did? No where in my comment am I defending her. I guess it is human nature to go and bother ourselves about something we know nothing and can/will do nothing about. So now that all the crying is over on this, why dont we move on to the homeless man who was killed, I noticed there were only 4 comments on him this am. "metal issues" That is awesome.[/list][/size]Where do I get you judging people? In every comment of yours, that's where. You respond to every comment that has someone stating a personal opinion and observation of how they feel by this story. You keep telling everyone they need to stay neutral because we don't know the mental state of this girl. Well the mental state of this girl is "messed up beyond repair", that's her mental state. She admitted to this, meaning she was of conscience mind while performing these acts. She tried to quiet the baby, she tried to hide the whole thing, she knew what she was doing was wrong. She said she thought about surrendering the baby to a safe house, but decided against it. To me, at that point it is premeditated murder. Thinking about not doing this then deciding to do it is a decision she made. We didn't make this up.
As for the homeless guy that was stabbed I A) didn't see this story and B) think that this story is more disturbing and horrific than someone who lives a life or risk like that getting stabbed. Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying that it is ok or that I don't care, I'm just saying that this story, as a parent, touches home with me more.[/list]
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