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Ursus:
Comments left for the above article, "Mother arraigned in death of newborn; baby starved to death in Whitmore, report says" (by Jim Schultz; November 9, 2011; Record Searchlight), #s 31-53:


Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 10:12 a.m.
Once again, you are repeating the facts of the story. Not sure why, its not going to change.
For clarification, I did not repond to every comment on here by someone who has an opionion. I am not arguing that her mental state is unbalanced. "Messed up beyond repair" is not in the DSM so will have to find a translator for that. What interests me is how she got there because thats the only benefit that will be served. Maybe we can help our children and our friends if we see signs of this kind of problems. Cursing her does absolutely no good; it is too late. Yes, she needs to go away so she cant do this again. Tomorrow, and everyday from here on out, you can find something else to be touched by and cry about. See where that gets you.33432 writes: November 10, 2011 10:19 a.m.
in response to 5Minutes:
Having worked at JYA for a little more that a year and an experienced at risk high school teacher , let me put some minds at ease. JYA is an outstanding school that works with troubled youth that many have given up on. Phil and his staff have a passion for these kids and a hearts desire to see them set straight and equipped for adult life.
The young lady in this story most certainly has issues that we can not begin to guess or understand fully, so I wont try to here. It is beyond sad to see an innocent life terminated in this or any fashion; especially considering the baby had no ability to defend itself against it. The true definition of an innocent victim.
Now, lets think about this for 5 Minutes...
We have come to the defense of this baby, it died tragically and needlessly and its cries to be saved went unheard...
Under legal protection people kill hundreds of babies every day just as tragically, just as needlessly. They can not defend themselves and their cries go unheard. The minds and hearts of people, especially the youth, have been numbed against this barbaric action we call abortion; however is it really any different than what Jessica B did? I am NOT defending her actions by any means, I just see the value of life being diminished day by day and we now see the results in stories like this.
Think about it for 5 Minutes, it may change your mind.[/list][/size]Uh, yes - abortion is a lot different than what she did. Abortion (whether you are for or against it) is quick and decisive. What this person did was choose to have the baby, then kill it over the course of a few days. MAJOR DIFFERENCE. Good luck trying to downplay what she did with that line of reasoning.[/list]
ReddingCritic writes: November 10, 2011 10:22 a.m.
The body was discovered on Friday, but not reported until Sunday. This raises several questions:

1. Was failure to report the find itself a crime?
2. Was someone else involved in the cover-up?
3. What kind of staff do they have at this place anyway? Did someone fail to make a mandated report to CPS?
4. Why is the name of this home for "troubled teens" not disclosed by the Record Searchlight?
5. Is the state's licensing board involved in the investigation?Mephistopheles writes: November 10, 2011 10:48 a.m.
"The joy of being grandparents was taken from them," Magrini said.

What a load of pandering BS.suku writes: November 10, 2011 10:53 a.m.
in response to 33432:
Uh, yes - abortion is a lot different than what she did. Abortion (whether you are for or against it) is quick and decisive. What this person did was choose to have the baby, then kill it over the course of a few days. MAJOR DIFFERENCE. Good luck trying to downplay what she did with that line of reasoning.[/list][/size]Um. So, if she'd quickly and decisively strangled the baby, THAT would have been okay? I think I understand the point you tried to make but I could be wrong. That wording was skewed a bit. Abortion is legal. Late term even but I'm pretty sure there has to be a valid medical reason to do late term abortions because the life of the fetus is viable (can survive on its own with medical assistance) and if it is viable, it is its own person. When a person becomes viable is generally between 21 and 26 weeks into gestation according to doctors but the States have defined that line differently. I tend to believe in doctors before I believe people in general or the people they've elected to represent them.

That answer is also for Jack_Bauer.[/list]
Jack_Bauer writes: November 10, 2011 10:55 a.m.
in response to 33432:
Uh, yes - abortion is a lot different than what she did. Abortion (whether you are for or against it) is quick and decisive. What this person did was choose to have the baby, then kill it over the course of a few days. MAJOR DIFFERENCE. Good luck trying to downplay what she did with that line of reasoning.[/list][/size](This comment was removed by the site staff.)[/list]
crzyppl writes: November 10, 2011 10:59 a.m.
in response to Cynicalone::
Once again, you are repeating the facts of the story. Not sure why, its not going to change.
For clarification, I did not repond to every comment on here by someone who has an opionion. I am not arguing that her mental state is unbalanced. "Messed up beyond repair" is not in the DSM so will have to find a translator for that. What interests me is how she got there because thats the only benefit that will be served. Maybe we can help our children and our friends if we see signs of this kind of problems. Cursing her does absolutely no good; it is too late. Yes, she needs to go away so she cant do this again. Tomorrow, and everyday from here on out, you can find something else to be touched by and cry about. See where that gets you.[/list][/size](This comment was removed by the site staff.)[/list]
Jack_Bauer writes: November 10, 2011 11:11 a.m.
in response to suku:
Um. So, if she'd quickly and decisively strangled the baby, THAT would have been okay? I think I understand the point you tried to make but I could be wrong. That wording was skewed a bit. Abortion is legal. Late term even but I'm pretty sure there has to be a valid medical reason to do late term abortions because the life of the fetus is viable (can survive on its own with medical assistance) and if it is viable, it is its own person. When a person becomes viable is generally between 21 and 26 weeks into gestation according to doctors but the States have defined that line differently. I tend to believe in doctors before I believe people in general or the people they've elected to represent them.

That answer is also for Jack_Bauer.[/list][/size]"Late term even but I'm pretty sure there has to be a valid medical reason to do late term abortions because the life of the fetus is viable (can survive on its own with medical assistance) and if it is viable, it is its own person. When a person becomes viable is generally between 21 and 26 weeks into gestation according to doctors but the States have defined that line differently."

Correct in that states define it differently, but partial birth abortion is practiced in California. I got no problem with cases where the abortion is performed because the baby will be severely deformed and will suffer a very short life, that's up to the parents to make that agonizing decision... But to leave it up to the "health of the mother" option as determined by the doctor can be ludicrous because that definition includes mental health, as in "Having this baby will drive the woman insane, so we're gonna kill it". That's CRAZY to me and it DOES happen, and it probably could've happened here as I'm sure that an insanity defense will be claimed... And yes, I know that it's extremely rare and very few cases happen every year, but so what? Is it any less wrong if it happens rarely or frequently?[/list]
MyBad writes: November 10, 2011 11:14 a.m.
It amazes me that the ones here who are voiceing their shock and grief of this terrible event, has been mocked and attacked by other posters! Who gave you the right to "judge" the feelings behind comments as heartfelt or not!!

If I say I believe this woman is truly insane for the acts she committed against this child and the reasons she gave for doing it, am I judging her or just believing something is terribly wrong with her mind for her to be able to turn her heart and mother-spirit against this little baby!

What she did was just plain horrible! Days after hearing about it, it still almost makes me literally sick to my stomach to think of that poor little girl crying to live and her MOTHER thinking her 'lifestyle' was more important than that beautiful little infant!!

Somehow the comments have turned into a debate on abortion instead of concentrating on the precious little girl who was deliberately tortured and murdered! Yes, she's no longer suffering. That "mother" should be judged and put in a prison with inmate-women that love and miss their own children...let them take care of her!Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 11:16 a.m.
in response to Mephistopheles:
"The joy of being grandparents was taken from them," Magrini said.

What a load of pandering BS.[/list][/size]I hope Im surfing the lake of fire by dusk for saying this Meph, fantastic choice of words. Keep up the good work.

@crzyppl: didnt quite catch that. sorry :)[/list]
suku writes: November 10, 2011 11:17 a.m.
Now that I've said that, I started thinking about how a lot of modern medicine has been learned. Many of those men and women who used those methods were doctors. Yeesh. Evolve/devolve. Where's the line?Prancer3 writes: November 10, 2011 11:26 a.m.
Sorry...(and please do not put yourself out commenting on my comment...cycliclone or whatever your thing is, not interested)...

This girl...mother or whatever she is being called...imo is not "mental"...she is a spoiled rotten brat who didn't want this little baby to screw up her and her boyfriends' partying lifestyle sounds to me like. No sympathy here for anybody except that innocent little murdered baby girl. Does she even have a name, poor little thing.crzyppl writes: November 10, 2011 11:30 a.m.
in response to crzyppl:
(This comment was removed by the site staff.)[/list][/list][/size]Really? There wasn’t even anything that violates your "rules"....

So I will say it again.

I am repeating the facts because you clearly didn’t read them. "Messed up beyond repair"=beyond help. Not that hard to comprehend...Being upset about a story like this does not constitute me being "touched" and "Crying" about everything. Keep opening your mouth and see where your idiocy gets you.[/list]
gungal writes: November 10, 2011 11:34 a.m.
in response to Treebones:
Trying to equate this action by a mentally disturbed women with abortion is ridiculous.

Quite the stretch of the imagination to make a political point.[/list][/size]I can see a connection in the mind set.
And what they are trying to impart.

Jessica did not want to be pregnant but got pregnant for whatever reason and she did not get an elective abortion (Many of the same people who are here and horrified that she killed her new born would have told her to get one).

There are similarities in that she wanted to keep her life the way she wanted and was scared of anyone knowing(like many women who choose to have an elective abortion...making a fear based choice) but the fact that she did nothing , had Baby girl and then let her die slowly over four days is where it becomes different.

There was thought of adoption but she did not chose that. Jessica knew Baby girl was hungry and needed breast milk/formula but she chose not to give it. She did fill her babies mouth and belly with water and gave her a blanket maybe to keep her quiet so as not to be discovered before she died. Jessica made the CHOICE to let her newborn baby die for what ever reason.

Jessica needs to be accountable for what she did to Baby girl and she NEEDS to have her tubes tied.

Who deserves the empathy in my mind? Baby girl, her father, and her grandparents(both sets)who had no choice in any of this...but who has, and will, suffer for Jessica's decisions and actions.

I also get that some who empathize for Jessica...but I am not one of them. I will pray for them all but my sympathy's do NOT lay with Jessica at ALL.[/list]
suku writes: November 10, 2011 11:35 a.m.
in response to Jack_Bauer:
"Late term even but I'm pretty sure there has to be a valid medical reason to do late term abortions because the life of the fetus is viable (can survive on its own with medical assistance) and if it is viable, it is its own person. When a person becomes viable is generally between 21 and 26 weeks into gestation according to doctors but the States have defined that line differently."

Correct in that states define it differently, but partial birth abortion is practiced in California. I got no problem with cases where the abortion is performed because the baby will be severely deformed and will suffer a very short life, that's up to the parents to make that agonizing decision... But to leave it up to the "health of the mother" option as determined by the doctor can be ludicrous because that definition includes mental health, as in "Having this baby will drive the woman insane, so we're gonna kill it". That's CRAZY to me and it DOES happen, and it probably could've happened here as I'm sure that an insanity defense will be claimed... And yes, I know that it's extremely rare and very few cases happen every year, but so what? Is it any less wrong if it happens rarely or frequently?[/list][/size]So physical deformity of the child with possible early death rather than possible mental health of the mother is one of your dividing lines. I understand, that's a grey area for me too. We have to draw lines somewhere or we wouldn't be human.[/list]
justamom writes: November 10, 2011 11:42 a.m.
in response to 5Minutes:
Having worked at JYA for a little more that a year and an experienced at risk high school teacher , let me put some minds at ease. JYA is an outstanding school that works with troubled youth that many have given up on. Phil and his staff have a passion for these kids and a hearts desire to see them set straight and equipped for adult life.
The young lady in this story most certainly has issues that we can not begin to guess or understand fully, so I wont try to here. It is beyond sad to see an innocent life terminated in this or any fashion; especially considering the baby had no ability to defend itself against it. The true definition of an innocent victim.
Now, lets think about this for 5 Minutes...
We have come to the defense of this baby, it died tragically and needlessly and its cries to be saved went unheard...
Under legal protection people kill hundreds of babies every day just as tragically, just as needlessly. They can not defend themselves and their cries go unheard. The minds and hearts of people, especially the youth, have been numbed against this barbaric action we call abortion; however is it really any different than what Jessica B did? I am NOT defending her actions by any means, I just see the value of life being diminished day by day and we now see the results in stories like this.
Think about it for 5 Minutes, it may change your mind.[/list][/size]IMO your wrong... There is no reason that Jessica could not have taken this baby to a hospital and dropped it off.. her and her bf lives would have stayed the same.. and she would not have killed this baby... Yes people have abortions everyday.. IMO i feel the only time that is ok is in a rape case or melostaion.. or if the baby is RH-.. Thier are to many familys out there with out a baby that want to love and care for someone elses child as if there own.. after seeing how she turned out.. not sure if giving this baby to the grandparents would have been the best thing for the child.. I am not one that thinks abortion should be used for the OOPPS REASON... their is Birth control out there if u dont want a baby then use it... Birth control is not a one way use... Both the man and the women need to use it every time they have sex..

Here is what i would like to know.. Was Jessica full term when she had the baby.. or even 6-8 months along.. there is no way you can hide a naked belly... there is no way the Boyfriend would have not been able to look at her and not see that she had a baby bump... (even if it was little) And then have that bump slim down almost over night... and if you have ever had a baby you would know that you bleed for weeks after... hiding the baby from everyone else i can see.. but the boyfriend.. that would be hard... a guy is not going to go for months with out sex... JMO[/list]
Cynicalone writes: November 10, 2011 11:44 a.m.
(This comment was removed by the site staff.)[/list]
OnTarget writes: November 10, 2011 6:41 p.m.
in response to TheKid:
She looks like a pretty scary person to begin with. She probably planned to do this from the beginning of the prenancy.[/list][/size]How might you look, if you were being arraigned on a murder charge? Especially if you knew you were guilty?[/list]
Cato writes: November 10, 2011 8:34 p.m.
in response to 5Minutes:
Having worked at JYA for a little more that a year and an experienced at risk high school teacher , let me put some minds at ease. JYA is an outstanding school that works with troubled youth that many have given up on. Phil and his staff have a passion for these kids and a hearts desire to see them set straight and equipped for adult life.
The young lady in this story most certainly has issues that we can not begin to guess or understand fully, so I wont try to here. It is beyond sad to see an innocent life terminated in this or any fashion; especially considering the baby had no ability to defend itself against it. The true definition of an innocent victim.
Now, lets think about this for 5 Minutes...
We have come to the defense of this baby, it died tragically and needlessly and its cries to be saved went unheard...
Under legal protection people kill hundreds of babies every day just as tragically, just as needlessly. They can not defend themselves and their cries go unheard. The minds and hearts of people, especially the youth, have been numbed against this barbaric action we call abortion; however is it really any different than what Jessica B did? I am NOT defending her actions by any means, I just see the value of life being diminished day by day and we now see the results in stories like this.
Think about it for 5 Minutes, it may change your mind.[/list][/size]THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for your wonderful post!! It is the BEST thing I have ever read on this site. I couldn't agree with you more - Thank you for saying it so well!

Sincerely, Cato's Wife[/list]
wallablu writes: November 10, 2011 10:25 p.m.
My child attended JYA as a troubled teen in the past.
No doubt, Ms Bradford deserves to stay in jail forever. 23 yrs old is more than old enough to take full responsibility for her own actions. How absolutely horrifying. What if a student had found the body? How are the students coping now? How hard must it be for the staff to deal with this whole situation?
I have JYA to thank for being able to yank my child from a bad situation into a safe and structured environment where she could re-examine herself and what her life meant to her. Rich or poor, good engaged parenting or lack thereof……does not matter. If a kid is hell bent on doing what he/she wants to do, then they will. JYA is really about behavior modification and is trustworthy and they would not be able to accomplish this without having dedicated caring staff. It’s one of the best out there.
This is bad media for a school that I believe has helped improve so many lives. They did a great job of keeping order, properly disciplining and rewarding the youth in a merit system that works. The school deserves to be around for a long time to come.
But this stmt made (printed by the San Francisco Examiner) by the owner Phil Ludwig regarding the incident needs to be called out. Academy director Phil Ludwig declined to discuss Bradford's position at the school.
"This had nothing to do with the school," Ludwig told The Record Searchlight. "This was a private residence she rented; it did not directly involve the school in any way."
Cut the crap.This had everything to do with the school.The homes are a part of the business property and is just the arrangements setup with the employees that reside there. They can literally walk out of their personal home and be on school grounds. Alot of the staff llive's on site. Ms Bradford did mentor the staff.
Their manner of employing past students needs re-examining. Never was a fan of.....There should at least be some time of separation required between being a student and becoming a part of the staff. Not all students do well after graduation. The owner(office not at the school nor does he live in the same town but does visit the school)should make some changes. They have rules about the length of time that must pass before an ex-student whom has graduated can make contact with a staff member. Seems a little contradictory when you consider their employment practices. These girls become extremely close with one another and the staff. An ex student should only be considered for employment after they have proven themselves worthy based on how they conduct themselves back in their "real world" home life after graduation has occurred.blf9910 writes: November 11, 2011 7:57 a.m.
Makes me sick to my stomach. Pathetic excuse for a woman. They will let you drop a child off at the hospital NO QUESTIONS ASKED! I hope you suffer, and never stop thinking about the disgusting horrible thing that you did. RIP beautiful baby girl.sourdoughnative writes: November 11, 2011 1:39 p.m.
This is definitely disturbing. It breaks all our hearts to know that innocent baby lay in a vacant building crying and screaming for her life and the one person who could help her refused. That's what this case should be tried on. Instead of building a defense of her past issues and their impact. I don't apologize for saying at the age of 23 she most definitely knew the difference between right and wrong. She absolutely knew that letting that little angel cruelly succumb to her death through dehydration and starvation was against everything any human would consider "right". Thus as a "civilized society" we have laws that govern punishment for these specific actions enacted by any person. I am certain she will be justly tried and convicted. But we all have to live with the horror that her daughter went through in the first and last 4 days of her life......so sad, so very, very sad.IDKMuch00 writes: November 16, 2011 1:09 p.m.
A few thoughts: 1) Sure, this is the place to share opinions. I believe it's called a "comment" section. So, if you wish to describe your belief in her mental state, guilt, or ideas about her punishment, etc. go ahead. 2) I think that the related topic of abortion is also just as morally reprehensible. I think the difference in this case is a psychological one. In an abortion you don't see the child before, during, or after the act, nor do you have much in the way of responsibility afterward. In this case, the child was born (alive), willfully neglected, and then kept in a clothes basket. The confrontation with the child's cries for help, as well as the physical body for over a month and a half is difficult to relate to. 3) On the other hand, in response to my first point, I think it is helpful if commentators could provide some context to this matter. I previously worked for Julian Youth Academy and I am acquainted with Jessica, parties involved, and the "academies" practices. I will note, the intention at the school is noble. However, as in the case of most institutions created for the management/rehabilitation of youth, the application is awkward at best. I have worked for and know many people who have, and do, work for many of the local "institutions." The problem is that the staff wind-up being treated as clients, if not worse. Jessica, I can be certain, knew that if she revealed that she was pregnant, would have been fired, kicked-out of her residence with a ridiculous time-frame for eviction (3 days), as well as her boyfriend being fired & subjected to the same treatment. Sadly, I personally know individuals who were customarily dismissed, denigrated, and cut-off without the time to reconcile what was taking place. Now, I'm not saying that Jessica should be absolved of her guilt because of these facts. I do, however, believe that this fear, as well as a clear sense of selfishness, contributed greatly to her incredibly poor choices. I think the school, as well as all local institutions (Victor Youth Services, Remi Vista, Open Line, etc.) should re-evaluate the prospect of how they treat their employees and the subsequent affect it has. I believe Jessica has committed a heinous crime, one in which will be duly punished by our legal system. Given the fact that she will undoubtedly spend many years in prison, and even if not, she will be haunted by these actions for a long time. Therefore, I believe more scrutiny should be leveled toward Julian Youth Academy and other local institutions, for their practices toward those in their employ. I Don't Know Much, but it is my opinion.

© 2011 Record Searchlight.

Oscar:
We have talked about the child in Spft. We have decided not to include the unnamed child on the victim list because the child wasn't put in the program. It was born on the campus but it never became a resident in the program.

We have just posted a blog entry where we mention the case: The 4 2011 deaths on the Fornits Wiki database covered.

Ursus:

--- Quote from: "Oscar" ---We have talked about the child in Spft. We have decided not to include the unnamed child on the victim list because the child wasn't put in the program. It was born on the campus but it never became a resident in the program.

We have just posted a blog entry where we mention the case: The 4 2011 deaths on the Fornits Wiki database covered.
--- End quote ---
Well... I'm inclined to disagree with you re. that victim's list. It seems to me that the effects of Julian Youth Academy's program on Jessica Bradford ... directly impacted that baby's life. That baby, completely dependent on Jessica's frame of mind, self concept, and perception of reality, had no choice but be enrolled in that program by proxy, so to speak. This goes way beyond the mere fact of having been born on campus.

...Just my 2¢, of course.

Xelebes:
Maybe include it as another unfortunate mention outside of the list.

Ursus:
KRCR-TV
New Details About Mummified Baby's Mom; Facebook Support Group Created

By Shay ARTHUR
POSTED: 10:33 pm PST November 10, 2011
UPDATED: 11:05 am PST November 12, 2011



New details about 23-year-old Jessica Bradford have emerged.

KRCR News Channel 7 spoke with a friend and former colleague of Bradford's Thursday evening. She wished to remain anonymous, but said Bradford was a mentor to girls at the Julian Youth Academy in Whitmore. The Julian Youth Academy is a privately funded Christian boarding school.

Bradford's friend said the school is a positive place for young people and believes Bradford's case is not typical of how the school operates.

KRCR News Channel Seven found that Bradford worked for a program called F.A.C.E.S.S, which stands for Fighting Against Child Exploitation and Sexual Slavery. Bradford was seen as a role model to young women in the program and had helped many girls at the school. She was always viewed as "the funny one."

The friend said Bradford often wore baggy clothes, so it was easy for her to hide her pregnancy. The young woman said she does not believe anyone at the school knew of Bradford's pregnancy, even her boyfriend of almost four years, who also worked at the school.

She said Bradford even denied having any premarital relations with her boyfriend. She described Bradford's boyfriend as quiet and said he always appeared respectful.

The anonymous friend said the campus of the Julian Youth Academy is large, with lots of vacant buildings so she could see how it was possible to keep the baby a secret.

The young woman said she was shocked that Bradford hid her baby girl's body. She said she found it difficult to believe Bradford did not feel she could reach out to anyone for help.

The former colleague said during the four days the baby was alive and allegedly hidden on the campus she said Bradfords acted strange and she often disappered, claiming she was checking on a friend.

She also said Bradford's mood changed after she had the baby. She said she seemed nicer and more open with the people at the school.

The young woman said she also remembers Bradford bringing a large fan into the room about a month ago, which she now thinks was being used to help hide the smell of the hidden baby.

She also added said Bradford's personal behavior did not change during the months she knew she was pregnant and that she continued to drink every weekend.

New information from court documents said the baby's body was found by staff member Kori Alugas in Bradford's laundry basket on Friday, Nov. 4 when she was looking for a blanket. She reported it to another staff member, Tiffany Morgan who then called Shasta County sheriff deputies Nov. 6. Bradford was arrested that day.

The documents also said Bradford told sheriff's detectives she gave birth to the baby under a deck near her dorm room so that no one would hear. An autopsy was performed on the baby's body at the Shasta County Coroner's office Monday, but because the case is a homicide the Coroner's office is not releasing any information. The baby's body is still in their care.

Bradford told to detectives she had the baby on Sept. 19. She said at first she believed the baby was a stillborn but later told detectives the infant lived for four days. Bradford told detectives after she gave birth to the baby girl she never gave her a name because she did not want to become attached to her. Bradford said after the baby died she kept the body in a utility closet then moved the body to a laundry basket, where it was eventually discovered in a mummified state.

Bradford was arragined Wednesday, but did not enter a plea, she has been assigned a public defender. Bradford is originally from the San Diego area. Her parents were present at the arraignment. She is set to be back in court Nov. 16. Her bail is set at one million dollars.

A "Support Jessica Bradford" Facebook page was created by a friend on Thursday. Listed in the "About" section, the page states "None of us agree with what Jessica did. But we still have a choice to love her through it... just as God loves us despite our sins." The page's name was later changed to "Choose To Love Jessica" because the creator did not want people to think the page was supporting what she did. The posts on the page's wall are a mixture of both positive and negative comments.

The mother of a former Julian Youth Academy student contacted KRCR News Channel 7 and said former parents of students are working to create some kind of memorial for the dead baby girl and would like to name her Katie Rose.


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