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mimisdogs · 7:58 PM on May 22, 2011
When my children were attending Jordan MS long time ago, he was assigned there. He always had a big attitude like he was God gift to humankind. I cannot understand why after 12 warnings and four suspensions he was still working for the district and allowed to carry a gun.feduptoo · 11:36 PM on May 22, 2011
The one thing I really found interesting was that the kid that was being beat down by Derek Lopez has tried to play the whole thing down. The kid makes it sound like it wasn't a big deal that Derek was beating him up when the NISD officer drove up. I bet this kid was very happy that the officer was there to stop Derek from doing worse than slapping him upside his head. I bet my last 50 cents the busstop kid was pressured to change his story...Liza_Null · 12:19 PM on May 23, 2011
Then again, maybe the busstop kid realizes that whatever it was, it wasn't worth a kid getting killed over it. And no one would've been killed, if the right thing had been done and Alvarado FIRED for incompetence.kismet · 1:08 PM on May 23, 2011
And no one would have been killed if the right thing had been done when it came to parenting and disciplining this young man.Insured_at_a_cost · 2:59 PM on May 23, 2011
the kid seemed like "trouble"Wiggin · 1:15 AM on May 27, 2011
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2008 · 1:04 AM on May 23, 2011
The question is asked many times why the need for school district police officers and why these duties aren't handled by the local sheriff or police department. The simple answer is they refuse to take care of the school districts without being paid to do so. Several school districts have asked for estimates for police services and each time they came back so high that it was cheaper to have their own.

Plus the school districts reap a benefit from their insurance providers if they have their own agencies. I've heard that in one case the savings was enough to fund the police department. Thus they had their police department for essentially nothing. Never got that confirmed but it was from a solid source.2008 · 1:06 AM on May 23, 2011
In addition the amount of crime on a middle school or high school campus today in San Antonio is staggering. Between drug offenses, various thefts, burglaries, assaults, trespassing by expelled students and other neighborhood criminals, the schools have no choice but to provide police officers to protect the students that are there trying to get an education.

Furthermore, most school police officers receive more training than your civilian departments because of the increased liability of working on a campus with thousands of students under foot. The bigger school districts have instructors come in and teach these classes during the summer break, spring break and other non school days during the year. They are not inferior officers like some here obviously believe they are.Mongo · 3:28 AM on May 23, 2011
Excellent post - thanks for the info.45969 · 2:45 PM on May 23, 2011
have you ever called the cops? how long does it take for them to get there? there are cops at the schools because this is america and especially in san antonio, most kids are the result of teenage pregnancy with either a single mom trying to work and support her family and doesnt have time to attend to her child or parents who are just too chetto to care. we need cops on campus so that when stuff like school shootings happen, we wont have to wait for someone to show up to protect our kids.[/list]
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Liza_Null · 12:17 PM on May 23, 2011
That's because we all had dad's that were far more frightening than any out-of-control police officer with a gun....... PLUS, I don't recall one - NOT ONE - fight among the boys that involved a gun. We didn't even KNOW people who carried guns, and the only guns in our homes were hunting rifles, maybe the occasional collection piece. But certainly we weren't into the gun scene. If one of my boyfriends from high school had pulled out a gun during a fist-fight, everybody standing around would have treated him with total CONTEMPT, "What, you can't settle this without a gun? What kind of P***Y are you, anyway, that you've got to bring a GUN?!?" He would've never been able to live it down. Things are different nowadays, if you DON'T carry a gun you're considered weak. Ridiculous. Totally ridiculous.truetex · 11:12 AM on May 25, 2011
"If one of my boyfriends from high school had pulled out a gun during a fist-fight, everybody standing around would have treated him with total CONTEMPT, "What, you can't settle this without a gun? What kind of P***Y are you, anyway, that you've got to bring a GUN?!?" He would've never been able to live it down. Things are different nowadays, if you DON'T carry a gun you're considered weak. Ridiculous. Totally ridiculous".

Liza, what planet are you living on? this is San Antonio, hispanic and black TEENS shoot and kill someone every week. Are you not watching the news? The cop had every reason to be scared. Bottom line if MIJO hadn't been smacking that kid, hadn't run, hadn't been a dirt bag, he would be alive today. The cop would still be in trouble at work.Texian · 4:45 PM on May 25, 2011
Back then, and even earlier, thugs carried knives and chains. I suppose guns were a lot more expensive and harder to come by.n3vino · 6:18 PM on May 25, 2011
when I was in the ninth grade, back in 1959, a white girl stood up in her science class and killed a white guy with a gun.

But guns were not the norm back then. It was knifes. However, most fights were man to man. No weapons. Today these cowards start a fight and they pull a gun. And they consider themselves tough because they can shoot someone.[/list]
Liza_Null · 10:56 AM on May 23, 2011
WHAT WE HAVE HERE, IS A 27-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO BEHAVED LIKE THE 14-YEAR-OLD CHILD HE KILLED. AND NO ONE DID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. NOW IT'S TOO LATE.

NOW A CHILD IS DEAD AT THE HANDS OF AN IMMATURE MAN FOR WHOM THE RIGORS OF HIS VOCATION EXCEEDED HIS CAPABILITIES.

THIS MAN COULD NOT PERFORM THE DUTIES OF HIS POSITION. HE WAS INCAPABLE, BUT SAPD KEPT HIM EMPLOYED.

AND NOW A CHILD IS DEAD.jchapp · 11:19 AM on May 23, 2011
Was agreeing with you dispite all the caps....but then you wrongly said SAPD. I believe the article clearly states "Northside Independent School District Police Officer Daniel Alvarado."Liza_Null · 12:14 PM on May 23, 2011
You are right, "jchapp", the all-caps was not good. And you're also right, he's not a SAPD employee, he's an employee of the school district.45969 · 2:50 PM on May 23, 2011
again i say, the cop was wrong and should be punished, at the same time this was no child. if this were a 20yr old, what would be your excuse? the "child" wasnt acting like a child.Outsideview23 · 2:04 PM on May 26, 2011
A CHILD does not run from cops, a CHILD, does not bunch and fight other kids, a CHILD does not get suspened from school. This boy was not a CHILD. Now that family wants to act like they are here for the boy, well its a little too late. The CRIMINAL'S family should have been there to straighten out this rotten kid before the faced the law.[/list]


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Ref_Who_ · 11:41 AM on May 23, 2011
To those of you who think my remarks are racist. They are not. All I'm saying is that if the cop hadn't been a "minority" then there would be no organization coming forward with $$$$ to defend him and draw the firing out. If the cop had not been a minority, the school district would have fired him after "several" of his instances and this would not have happened. The "kid", good or bad, did not deserve to be shot.Ref_Who_ · 11:44 AM on May 23, 2011
I believe the family of the kid does hold some responsibility for his behavior, but we don't know the whole story on that do we? Did both parents work? Had they been to court to try to get help with his numerous problems? I personally know of a family with a terribly troubled child. They HAVE to work. Can't be with the kid 24-hours a day. The kid is WILD. The parents have begged the courts to lock the kid up for his own safey (and that of others). The courts just keep imposing a fine on the kid. Which of course isn't paid. But did this kid deserve to die? NO, he didn't. There are troubled kids in this world that parents flat cannot control, despite trying. Not saying that's the case in this instance, just saying those kids do exist in this country.MLZ · 1:13 PM on May 23, 2011
Sorry, but any child who is "wild" or "troubled" is so because of the way they were raised. Babies are sponges and grow up to feel above the law, entitled, and bear no responsiblity for their own actions because of the inability of their parents to set ground rules and expect respect. It's really very simple, but then again, some people really shouldn't be allowed to pro-create. Not unless they are willing to put in the time and effort required to raise well productive members of society.Ref_Who_ · 7:34 PM on May 23, 2011
MLZ you are so wrong. Get your head out of the sand. The family I'm referring to have 3 kids. All raised the same. Two have college degrees, excellent student. Worked their way through college to help pay the expenses. The 3rd kid, again, raised the exact same way as the other 3 is nothing but trouble. The parents have tried everything to intervene in this kid's life. Nothing has worked. I'm just so thankful that they have 2 successful kids. Else, they, just like people like you, would be blaming them. They did everything right. This kid is just BAD. Just be thankful, you do not have this problem.[/list]
2008 · 12:22 PM on May 23, 2011
Finally got to read the story last night. Not much of a story except one written to give the family a leg up on their lawsuit. If the DA was going to indict the officer they probably would have by now. SAPD cleared him in their investigation and deemed it a lawful shooting. Seems the reporter here has more than a casual interest in the story since he's written most every article concerning the incident. And they've all been written from the viewpoint that the officer was wrong and the student was a misunderstood angel with wonderful parents, etc..... Seems he has an agenda which isn't surprising for this so called news organization.Ref_Who_ · 7:40 PM on May 23, 2011
Where do you get that idea? Read how many violations the officer has had!!!!!Name withheld · 11:55 AM on May 24, 2011
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thrilldayoda · 10:30 AM on May 25, 2011
From most of your posts, it appears you have an agenda against the EN. just sayin'.russell-23220136 · 5:17 PM on May 25, 2011
"SAPD cleared him in their investigation and deemed it a lawful shooting."
The autopsy proves that the officer lied. Just because SAPD makes kool-aid, it doesn't mean I have to drink it.[/list]
2008 · 12:23 PM on May 23, 2011
Also find it amazing that after all the front page headlines here concerning the print only story now you can't even find this story without doing a search for it. Strange.

For those who haven't bought the paper to see the story, save your money. Not worth reading.MLZ · 1:18 PM on May 23, 2011
So many people crying foul over this poor "child". Believe what you want to believe, keep your head in the sand if you wish, but a 14 year old who has SUSPENDED from school, and one an elementary school at that, is NOT a child. He's a punk. Fair or not, every action has consequences. He had a history of breaking the rules and I saw no involvement from the parents to make him responsible for it. Now they are "overly involved" trying to gain justice. Give me a break. You should have been involved from the get-go, teaching him that heading down this path would have serious consequences. It's sad that it came to this, but you don't hear about this from kids who go to school, respect authority and have supportive parents who teach them right from wrong.MLZ · 1:19 PM on May 23, 2011
"been" SUSPENDED.45969 · 2:51 PM on May 23, 2011
thats what ive been saying!!OMAR · 10:17 PM on May 23, 2011
Sounds like the officer had a history of breaking the rules as well....hoghuntin · 9:15 AM on May 24, 2011
a kid should not have to die because he got in a fight, or die because he had been suspendedMLZ · 11:19 AM on May 24, 2011
No, he should not have had to die, but HE put HIMSELF in the situation where the possibility was there. Plain and simple. It's not like he was an innocent bystander. Again, actions have consequences. Period.OMAR · 7:14 PM on May 24, 2011
You put yourself in a position to die every time you get on the road to go to work, so if a fatal accident were to occur it would be less tragic?thrilldayoda · 10:33 AM on May 25, 2011
Hmm. you must have been following his family a long time to make a judgement about involvement. Blame can be spread towards both sides, and until all facts are in, who are we to judge either way?feduptoo · 11:05 AM on May 25, 2011
thrilldayoda...as an overworked NISD taxpayer that may have to pay part of the the hush money to the Lopez family, I very much have a right to have an opinion or a point of view on this topic.MLZ · 2:41 PM on May 25, 2011
@Omar, that ridiculous comment doesn't even deserve a response, but here goes...getting into my car is NOT breaking the law! Enough said. @thrilldayoda, when a kid misbehaves this badly, the parental involvement is either non-existent or they put the blame on others. I've worked with children for over 18 years and I have the experience to speak.[/list]


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OMAR · 4:51 PM on May 25, 2011
yeah because i'm sure you dont speed bottom line is, every time we are in a position where could be in danger is it right that it occurs due to somebody else's incompetence.MLZ · 8:36 AM on May 26, 2011
If "we" are in any situation where we could be in danger, and we are NOT breaking the law, then"we" are innocent if something happens to us! This punk ran after taking a punch at a kid, not to mention that assault had been one crime he already had a record of. You're talking apples and oranges. YES we put ourselves in danger driving, flying, crossing the street, but we are NOT breaking the law while doing it. And NO I do not speed! Never had a speeding ticket in my life, thank you very much! : )Name withheld · 7:20 PM on May 26, 2011
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feduptoo · 2:16 PM on May 23, 2011
Mr. Lopez's family wants to sellthe potntial jury pool out there that this kid was angel. Okay...well it's very interesting that the picture of Derek in this story shows him in the "what's up" fierce gangsta pose. The news story should have provided a picture of him smiling instead of trying to look all hard and dangerous.
On the reverse side, the cop is smiling and looking like officer friendly. The cop is no angel either, but he knows the value of public relations and presentation.Name withheld · 11:47 AM on May 25, 2011
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javithekid · 2:57 PM on May 23, 2011
RefWho- You say "IF the cop had not been a minority, NOBODY would have defended him."If minorities are defended (mostly constitutional cases) by organizations it is because the majority of minorities do not have the funds for proper legal counsel.For instance when do you ever see wealthy non hispanic or non black Americans on death row?? And how many minorities have been taken off death row for crimes they did not commit due to improper counsel and unfair prosecutors and bad police work?gr8tgirl2 · 4:35 PM on May 23, 2011
From 1973 until now, 137 death row inmates have been exonerated. 65 were black, 52 were white and the rest were either asian or latino. The numbers speak for themselves. Don't throw out the race card (BTW, San Antonio is 58.7% Hispanic, 33% White and 8.3% other. Technically, as a white person I am now the minority. In this day and age, race needs to stop being the issue!javithekid · 7:21 PM on May 23, 2011
You miss the point were any of those inmates that were enonerated wealthy,or educated?? Many did not have a 10th. grade education. Iam sure that the white inmates were poor whites..Bottom line the death penalty is reserved for the poor and uneducated.Maybe you should direct your race issue to RefWho. He spoke of minorities and in being so, get defended by "Bogus" groups? 175 have deen exonertated by DNA testing thanks to the innocence project. Read my postings more carefully Iam against racism.But unfortunately it is still a big issue.Ref_Who_ · 7:31 PM on May 23, 2011
Gr8tgirl2. I agree 100%. Race needs to quit being an issue. The LULAC and NAACP pick their cases to "defend" based solely on RACE. This is BS. I still stick by my statement that if this had been a "white boy" he would have been fired long, long ago for insubordination.renesalgado · 8:18 AM on May 24, 2011
Ref_Who-I agree with javi, by the way in the first place,your the one who brought up race to begin with,when you mentioned the officer's last name Alvarado,meaning hispanic.In the following context"If his name wasn't Alvarado,
he'd been fired by now." All javi said was stick to the issue.But you continue to bring up the issue of minorites or hispanic(s).Yet you say your are not racist?? Maybe you are not aware of what you say or how you put things? Now let move on,and stick tot he issues of maybe this person being a bad officer.[/list]
uh-huh · 3:49 PM on May 23, 2011
A mother has lost her son, people. He was thug, he was a loser, he was a trouble maker...fine, but A MOTHER HAS LOST HER SON! Have some damn compassion.feduptoo · 5:40 PM on May 23, 2011
What would u have us all do to show "compassion" here? Pretend like the kids record did not exist? Would u have us ignore that the sequence of events that put this horrible tradegy into motion started with Derek Lopez beating down some kid at a busstop?feduptoo · 5:42 PM on May 23, 2011
And for the record, I am troubled by the cops past. But as it's been said before both of these indivudals were bad actors.feduptoo · 5:58 PM on May 23, 2011
I guess the main thing I can't get past is Derek was beating up someone (going upside someone's head) when the NISD cop started chasing him. If he was simply mouthing off or something like that I could feel more sympathy here.Name withheld · 8:00 PM on May 23, 2011
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thrilldayoda · 10:38 AM on May 25, 2011
No opinion for either side. Just to clarify, The "beat-down" victim said it was just one punch, no big deal to him, at a bus stop, not school property.Outsideview23 · 2:07 PM on May 26, 2011
$5 that this kid probably would have taken a son away from their mother on the path he was going on.[/list]
uh-huh · 3:52 PM on May 23, 2011
The boy didn't follow rules. He got into way too much trouble. He didn't respect or obey authority. He has lost his life because of it. This school cop, however, did not follow rules or obey authority either. He took someone else's life into his own hands. He did not do it in self-defense, as I suspect if he had, this fact would have been plastered all over this article. He killed someone one because of it. There is no right here. You involve two loose cannons, and someone is going to get hurt.uh-huh · 3:56 PM on May 23, 2011
Oh...sorry...the school cop feared for his life as a boy half his size and age "lunged" at him. My bad.thrilldayoda · 10:39 AM on May 25, 2011
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Texian · 8:29 PM on May 25, 2011
uh-huh - Size, or lack of it, is irrelevant. Remember, David dropped the giant with one stone.[/list]
hoghuntin · 5:09 PM on May 23, 2011
Seriously, I can't believe the school district kept this officer employed.. How are you going to count on someone to make the right decision in a tense situation when they can't even write their reports!!! The kid could have been a troublemaker, but he was unarmed. A 14 year old child should not have had to die because of this.feduptoo · 5:50 PM on May 23, 2011
You're right...the kid should not have died. It's a tragedy that the kid made bad choices that led to this event.hoghuntin · 9:12 AM on May 24, 2011
Its a tragedy that a police officer shot a child because he was in a fight with another student. If the police officer had followed procedures he would not have panicked and shot this unarmed child.mgsatx-18308424 · 10:01 AM on May 25, 2011
feduptoo, it seems the cop made even worse choices that led up to this murder.thrilldayoda · 10:40 AM on May 25, 2011
Bad choices on both sides. sigh. CrashQueImporta · 12:50 PM on May 25, 2011
how is one to know the person in the shed is unarmed? i don't blame the officer for having his gun armed. from what we do know, the kid charged out of the shed. That might cause someone to shoot. You don't have time to ask a suspect charging you "do you have a weapon?"
It's sad the child died, let all the other parents and troubled children learn from this story.Texian · 5:52 PM on May 25, 2011
No one knew the kid was unarmed until after the fact. Hindsight is 20-20.[/list]
cookie1982 · 5:12 PM on May 23, 2011
To say that this would not have happened if the child were a "good" student is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if he was a troubled student or a straight A student...there is no justification for the senseless killing.feduptoo · 5:52 PM on May 23, 2011
"Sense-less" implies that the cause of something is not known. The cause here is known. A combination of probably bad parenting, bad choices from Derek, and a severe lapse of judgement from the police officer. The so called "perfect storm".Ref_Who_ · 7:36 PM on May 23, 2011
Teenagers make bad choices. Adults shoudl NOT be consistently making bad choices AND getting paid for them. NSID needs to pay and pay big for this. THEY should have fired this guy long ago.2008 · 9:21 PM on May 23, 2011
I disagree with your opinion that it wouldn't have happened had the kid been a good student. Point is had he been a good student he wouldn't have been where he was so it would have been prevented! He wouldn't have been hitting anyone nor been in this situation had he been a good student and more importantly a good person. There is no justification for his actions and those actions are what got him killed.hoghuntin · 9:08 AM on May 24, 2011
FYI, senseless does NOT imply that the cause of something is not known. It means meaningless, or foolish. Something done without "sense" either way, a kid should not have died because he got in a fighthoghuntin · 9:10 AM on May 24, 2011
Really 2008??? You think a child should die because they got in a fight with another student? You think those actions are worthy of death? give me a breaktruetex · 11:29 AM on May 25, 2011
cookie, the kid died because he was NOT a law abiding citizen. Any law abiding citizen would not have been beating up on another. And a law abiding citizen would NOT have run from the police.

His life of crime got him killed.QueImporta · 12:44 PM on May 25, 2011
It totally matters! Do you think a "good" student would be "fleeing" from police? Would he assualt another child for no reason? Would he obey an officers verbal command? It's sad that he died, but he wasn't a radnom kill, it was justified based on the facts that WE have been told so far.[/list]
OMAR · 10:16 PM on May 23, 2011
A punk yes, lack of parenting, definitely, but did this kid deserve to die? Rhetorical question...Texian · 8:19 PM on May 25, 2011
No one deserves to die like he did, but he placed his fate in his own hands when he failed to stop when he was told to, or to come out of the shed with his hands up.[/list]
matseu · 8:34 AM on May 25, 2011
If the situation described by the officer is fact then you wont find any other agency that will prosecute him. If you bring in the Rangers, FBI, or any other organization that investigates these things, they will all clear him.

As for why he was still employed, ASK YOU FAVORITE UNION REPRESENTATIVE!Pristine · 8:53 AM on May 25, 2011
If parents would teach their children respect, AND respect for authority, they wouldnt have to worry about school police. This child was allowed to grow up wild, and the parents are to blame.

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mgsatx-18308424 · 9:58 AM on May 25, 2011
Do you know this kid or his family? At what point in the incident described would it have been okay for this cop to shoot the kid if it that kid were your teenage son?QueImporta · 12:41 PM on May 25, 2011
The child had a serious record at a young age. He should have been at his ALT school, but he wasn't there...

It is a sad story, but I'm sure "students" from his former school benefited from realizing firsthand that your actions can lead to unfortunate outcomes.Texian · 8:17 PM on May 25, 2011
mgsatx - I think you have your wires crossed. That wasn’t Pristine’s kid that got shot. Pristine demonstrates a level head and clear thinking on raising his/her kids. I doubt that his/her kids would have been in that predicament.[/list]
Don-21761464 · 9:32 AM on May 25, 2011
Folks, poor parenting is strangling our school system is about to give us generations of dysfunctional families. Drop out rates among our hispanic boys continues to hover around 50 percent, we have 11 and 12 year olds having babies, kids who need values clarification in pre-school because they have parents who are valueless. In fact, when one teacher called a parents because the student continually was disrupting the class, the parent said, "That's your problem, not mine." I wonder what kind of family the officer came from?feduptoo · 2:42 PM on May 25, 2011
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Don-21761464 · 10:13 AM on May 25, 2011
Better parenting, better students. Good parenting includes impulse control, anger management, and delayed gratification. Tip of an iceberg, that is all we are seeing here from the officers to the students.sports_medic · 10:15 AM on May 25, 2011
This kid is worth more to his family dead than alive. They'll get their check, get to act like the victim, and won't have to worry about bailing their kid out of trouble anymore.

NISD was negligent in how the handled the officer. Any settlement from this should go to some charity, after school program or diversion program where it might actually accomplish some good. Raising a juvenile delinquent should not be a lottery ticket.swantsays@gmail.com · 10:26 AM on May 25, 2011
what a sick comment!Name withheld · 11:43 AM on May 25, 2011
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QueImporta · 12:38 PM on May 25, 2011
sad but likely true ($ wise)

It wont bring the child back, but the family will likely benefit financially from it...working_for_you · 1:40 PM on May 25, 2011
Wow. That was such a horrible thing to put on this comment board. May God have mercy on your cold, cold heart.MLZ · 8:41 AM on May 26, 2011
There have definately been instances of families wanting "justice" who have sued only for the cost of the lawyers and other court fees. THAT is seeking justice. When you start suing for money then you are putting a price tag on your child. There is NO amount of money in the world worth the lives of my two sons. They are priceless![/list]
SAVOICE · 10:28 AM on May 25, 2011
In my opinion these parents are now trying to step up after years and years of slacking off. Children dont just become hoodlums like this kid became. The mother needs to just step up and take the responsibility of creating a thug. Dont blame police.. Blame yourselves!jim76 · 11:04 AM on May 25, 2011
But he was such an angel at home, he cooked, and helped his siblings with their home work...dancertexas · 11:56 AM on May 25, 2011
Hey SAVOICE! I didn't know you knew the mother personally! Surely you do, only someone who knows her can form an opinion like this. Please give her our regards, thanks!QueImporta · 12:34 PM on May 25, 2011
Dancer:

This isnt an obituary page. This is a more indepth artilce on the sad story of events. VOICE is entilted to his opinon just as you are. He/She isn't blasting the mom at the funeral or online obituary. Just saying that parents should hold themselves accountable.

You said you have a good kid at home that can become someone else at school. HANDLE it before it gets worse. If you just sit on your hands, thats bad parenting.[/list]
jlrtx · 11:25 AM on May 25, 2011
I must disagree with the comments stating partial fault on the suspect's side (ie. "If he was better disciplined... it's his parents fault"). At the time of the initial incident, the officer did not know who the kid was. All he knew was that one kid punched another. It's not a far fetched thought of kids fighting.

The article doesn't make it clear if the 14 year old had been identified by name or if his record had been communicated to the officer before his confrontation at the shed. Given the suspect's common name, more than likely not. If anything, as far as the officer knew, this was just any other 14 year old kid.

In a time where officers have several non-lethal options to subdue a suspect (pepper spray, tasers, k9s), jumping straight to deadly force needs to be questioned.

The officer was completely wrong in his actions and this wrong can not be justified by the past actions of the suspect. Let's not forget during his search for the suspect, he had the original victim as a passenger; putting him in potentially more danger and leaving him unsupervised as he searched for the suspect.jim76 · 11:47 AM on May 25, 2011
Really, so personal accountability goes out the window??? Forget the fact that an officer told him to stop, and by not doing so it cost him his life, that the officer didnt just stop him for no reason, but because he was commiting an assult. Just like the officer had no idea about the kids past, he had no idea what the kid was doing in a shed, what do you keep in a shed, gardening equipment, like hedge clippers, axes, things that can be used as weapons. Did he deserve to die, hell no, but had he stopped, he'd be alive today...jim76 · 11:52 AM on May 25, 2011
What most people don't realize, there are cops out there that really want to shoot people. I have had a cop tell me this after I did nothing wrong, but the idiot couldnt tell the diffrence between an amreican and a forigen car, and I called him on it. He was bacically bragging about almost shooting me, and said he should have cuz I was a smart aleck kid that thought he knew everything. Was I doing anything wrong, no, I was with a friend in a mecury topaz, and someone in a Camry had been carjacked. Shouldnt an officer know the difference?dancertexas · 11:53 AM on May 25, 2011
Don't forget, jim, that if the officer had followed orders to "stay here" the kid would be alive. There have been countless people who do not stop when an officer tells them too, but they don't lose their lives for it, they get tackled, or tased, but they don't get shot, especially when they're only 14 and unarmed.[/list]


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