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Name withheld · 9:54 AM on May 20, 2011
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uh-huh · 10:51 AM on May 20, 2011
What the hell does that tell you about those who run the police department?2008 · 12:31 AM on May 23, 2011
School district police departments are usually run by tyrants who are concerned about their big pay checks and seeing how many officer's careers they can ruin. There is no civil service and lynching parties are conducted quite frequently by these little dictators when someone has the audacity to challenge or stand up to something that is wrong. Officers are written up so they can be fired 'at will' the next time they make someone in the food chain mad. It's really a joke the way school districts are run. Rules are enforced on some and ignored on others. You'd have to be there to believe it. Therefore much of what is written about this officer's behavior may be nothing but gossip that was documented rightly or wrongly.[/list]
erflowers-24327929 · 12:04 PM on May 20, 2011
But qualified, eager, police candidates who have integrity and loyalty, are not even considered unless they can pass a timed spelling test! Go figure...TC-22614707 · 1:34 PM on May 20, 2011
Yes and I guess those "qualified, eager, police candidates who have integrity and loyalty" can't pass that timed spelling test....Splash · 6:34 PM on May 22, 2011
Didn't they all supposedly have integrity when they joined??Name withheld · 3:50 PM on May 23, 2011
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Liza_Null · 9:27 AM on May 25, 2011
Why would they be "qualified" if they can't spell? Good Lord.[/list]
lawman-24254057 · 3:17 PM on May 20, 2011
its appears that police officers now days dont have the common sense to take time to talk to people.They just show up and arrest everyone and write a poor report. And innocent people end in jail and later end-up getting the case dismiss after spending their hard earned money for atty. fees. That s why some cops get injury ,because the lack of common sense to perform police duties. They don't issued common sense out of the academy. A lot of cops are scare of the public and because of that have a quick trigger finger. Specifically some of SAPD .2008 · 12:35 AM on May 23, 2011
The intelligence level of many of today's so called police officers leaves a lot to be desired. And unfortunately many departments are selecting the inferior officer because they believe the candidate will be grateful enough for the job to not be a management problem. They won't hire someone that can think and reason right from wrong. Someone like that might ask questions and interrupt the "DO WHAT I SAY" nonsense. School districts are bad about telling their officers what to enforce and what to handle administratively. The law is not applied evenly and upper level school district administrators are usually the ones calling the shots for the field officers. Zero experience, zero qualifications but they are the ones telling the chief how things will be done when it comes to law enforcment.Liza_Null · 11:23 AM on May 23, 2011
The vast MAJORITY of police officers that I have encountered have been exceedingly polite, helpful, and a source of reassurance for me. I truly felt protected, listened-to, and respected. That being said, when I read about instances like this, I'm aware that there's always two sides to every story. If a cop goes into that job believing that the majority of the people he encounters are "out to get him", then of course every single person he encounters is going to be a threat of some kind. If you look for trouble, trouble will surely find you.

It's kind of like the field of medicine - you can't POSSIBLY be effective, if you don't really like people.......randerson307 · 7:21 PM on May 25, 2011
2008 they are selecting the canidates because there is not a lot to choose from anymore. Not a lot of people with an education and a spotless background want to be a police officer. A lot of sites have been lowered along with the pay. Even DPS is hiring former lawmen with so many years experence. Homer Garrison has to be spinning in his grave about now.[/list]
lawman-24254057 · 3:22 PM on May 20, 2011
use your common sense all of the time and good discretion.That way u will be able to serve and protect and have most of the citizens behind you and you can look forward honorable retiring.Be safe and careful .(ten-four)Sir_Bikesalot · 4:05 PM on May 20, 2011
Why is he still emplyed you ax? Unions. Now do you see how they have overstepped their bounds and have become the abusers?navblue · 7:45 AM on May 21, 2011
You might want to read the story before you say that.

Nowadays you have arbitration where a civilian usually makes the final decision on a cop's career.

Even if the brass and sometimes the union want him or her gone.2008 · 12:36 AM on May 23, 2011
School district officers do not have union protection. They do not have civil service. He remained employed because they weren't ready to really fire him yet...randerson307 · 7:24 PM on May 25, 2011
Alfred E Newman is a good choice Sir Bikesalot.[/list]
bobby-16365449 · 5:37 PM on May 20, 2011
Why are criminals in our schools? Why aren't they expelled? Could it be the more students the more federal dollars?athleticfan · 10:45 PM on May 20, 2011
Students or not they are going ti be using federal dollars bc if u kick them out then you are gonna be paying for their welfare. Think!Ref_Who_ · 11:31 PM on May 20, 2011
athleticfan....And if we keep them in school, they are going to LEARN something? I think not. They'll be on federal dollars anyway. They don't care. They need to be expelled and gotten out of the schools.[/list]


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Camino · 9:20 PM on May 20, 2011
The NISD police department is a joke. I love the way they drive around and scan the schools during off hours. They rarely get out of their vehicles and walk the school grounds but just drive by and take a quick look wasting expensive fuel. Have also seen them several times stopping at BOA and doing personal banking during work hours. Eliminate the department!athleticfan · 10:43 PM on May 20, 2011
Ya go ahead and eliminate it. Lol and we think the drugs and fights are a problem now? Ha! That was an idiotic statement, no matter what field of work youre in the are gonna be some bad apples, so I guess we just "eliminate it" huh?Name withheld · 8:02 AM on May 21, 2011
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n3vino · 8:39 AM on May 22, 2011
Actually, some police are assigned to schools. One at each middle school. Not sure how many at high schools. Lot's of bullies and undisiplined kids at some of these schools. I've seen police on bikes at high schools patroling the area making sure some delinquent is not beating up on some kid walking home.randerson307 · 7:26 PM on May 25, 2011
Yeah, but I'm sure Camino never did anything like that when he was working.[/list]
Ref_Who_ · 11:36 PM on May 20, 2011
Hopefully, he'll get FIRED now. Then tried for murder. If his name wasn't Alvarado, he'd been fired by now.Trevi_o84 · 10:23 AM on May 21, 2011
wont happen it was a good shooting. Saved us tax payer money in the long endKDC · 8:20 PM on May 21, 2011
Just gotta slip that racism in there....Ref_Who_ · 10:39 AM on May 23, 2011
IF the cop had not been a minority, NOBODY would have defended him. When society deals with "minorities" all kinds of organizations come out of the woodwork to defend him/her. Non-minority defendents are usually immediately fired, because no organization will come forward with $$$$$ to defend them. Fact or fiction????javithekid · 11:03 AM on May 23, 2011
If minorities are defended (mostly constitutional cases) by organizations it is because the majority of minorities do not have the funds for proper legal counsel.For instance when do you ever see wealthy non hispanic or non black Americans on death row?? And how many minorities have been taken off death row for crimes they did not commit do to improper counsel and unfair prosecutors and bad police work??[/list]
javithekid · 7:13 AM on May 21, 2011
Saying that just because his last name is Alvarado is the reason he has not been fired.Is an unfair innuendo. It doesnt matter if his last name was Wong or Smith. Stick to the issues.Ref_Who_ · 11:28 AM on May 21, 2011
The reason I said this is because chances are real good that the ACLU or some other bogus organization would step in and defend him; thereby costing more $$$$ to the school district.renesalgado · 1:35 PM on May 21, 2011
Ref,I agree with Javithekid and Xavier. If the ACLU steps in so what?? Your saying the chances are real good that the ACLU or another bogus organization will step in and defend him?? What other bogus organization do you seem to be afraid of?? I would not fear any bogus organization. I may not agree with some of the cases fought and won by the ACLU.But the courts have often ruled in their favor. ACLU bogus? Why, do you think the officer was treated unfairly? Because all your basing your theory on is the officers last name. Which is Hispanic. Right? Relax your concern or fear is not worth being concerned about.Don-21761464 · 9:22 AM on May 25, 2011
Sadly, in school politic's that can be part of it.[/list]
AG-21957984 · 7:33 AM on May 21, 2011
What school is this murderer at? I need to make sure my kids aren't there!navblue · 7:47 AM on May 21, 2011
javithekiid- that is impossible in a place like this. You have too many who judge BY A NAME around here.javithekid · 9:53 AM on May 21, 2011
I can see that already.[/list]
Xavier-22414844 · 7:52 AM on May 21, 2011
I know officer Alvarado. He is good individual. You guys are way off base here.javithekid · 9:56 AM on May 21, 2011
I hope that does not include me? I try not to judge with my eyes closed.ylopez5 · 1:05 PM on May 21, 2011
A good man, would you think that if he killed your son or brother or nephew!!! Derek Lopez was my nephew and he killed him after he was told not to pursue him!!! Because of him our family my sister's son had been taken from her, cause he was on some power trip!![/list]


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Name withheld · 7:09 AM on May 22, 2011
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Xavier-22414844 · 7:56 AM on May 22, 2011
This boy was expelled right? What was he doing at the school then? Where were his parents and family members? Why were they not preventing him from making bad decisions?n3vino · 8:34 AM on May 22, 2011
I don't think the boy was at any school. If I am not wrong, he was at a bus stop waiting to kick sombody's butt.OMAR · 4:40 PM on May 22, 2011
Is it possible be to be a good guy and incompetent?ylopez5 · 6:35 PM on May 22, 2011
I honestly dont care what any of you people say!!! There just words of ignorance!!!! We won't be able to bring him back, but we will have justice!!!!Splash · 6:42 PM on May 22, 2011
Good individual or not, he made a stupid decision. Look at his record. He has "NO" business being a law enforcement officer.
I didn't know thw young man that was killed, but good or bad we will never know what he was doing, so maybe all of you so quick to condem remember those words when it is one of your family members.Name withheld · 6:58 PM on May 22, 2011
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gr8tgirl2 · 5:06 PM on May 23, 2011
Both the child and the officer were wrong and it ended tragically. We do not know how this kid was raised other than the fact that he had a record and was expelled from school. We know from the officer's record that he was not a responsible one. Money will not bring this child back, though.QueImporta · 12:57 PM on May 25, 2011
ylopez: Sorry for you loss....

I don't think justice=$
You're family will have to acknowledge that Derek didn't help his situation by not being in school, was beating up another child, running from a cop, etc. His death was untimely. Be realistic about what you claim is justice.[/list]
Name withheld · 9:53 AM on May 21, 2011
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John-21941554 · 10:06 AM on May 21, 2011
Why do school districts feel the need for a police department? Seems to me that they can rely on the local PD or sheriff's department just like the rest of us. This is a HUGE waste of taxpayer money. If school districts want to weather the budget storm, can the cops and keep teachers. After all, EDUCATION is your mission, right? RIGHT?Trevi_o84 · 10:21 AM on May 21, 2011
Because local Pd's and Sheriff's offices are responding to the issues the parents of these wonderful young law abiding kids were raised by. Maybe you heard of this place in Colordo called Columbine? School police were the first on scene!fidel.rodriguez · 11:54 AM on May 21, 2011
Trevi...I would NOT use Columbine as an example of good police work.renesalgado · 1:36 PM on May 21, 2011
Fidel, Why not??Splash · 6:44 PM on May 22, 2011
They are a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. All of the school departments can be consolidated under the SAPD or Sherriffs dept. I'm tired of seeing officers set in their car doing nothing while another directs traffic. Get out and help or go home.[/list]
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Banned18Times · 10:55 AM on May 21, 2011
How low has our society sunk, that we need 'school police'?????

Must be some charming little kids were producing...Liza_Null · 12:11 PM on May 23, 2011
And clearly Officer Alvarado is one of them.......Name withheld · 4:05 PM on May 23, 2011
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Name withheld · 7:48 AM on May 25, 2011
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Comments left for the above article, "Officer who shot student had history of not following orders" (by Brian Chasnoff; May 25, 2011; San Antonio  Express-News), #s 61-80:


Don-21761464 · 9:03 AM on May 25, 2011
Poor parenting is producing a sea of troubled kids. Drop outs, gang members, and drug users. Drop out rates among our hispanic students hovers around 50 percent, teen pregnancies near national highs, then everything that goes with it,Mac-18122429 · 7:33 PM on May 27, 2011
Actually, its a law to have them. Yes, they are worthless and yes, they are a total waste of money...but Austin decided that someone needed a kickback and passed a law saying we must have them.[/list]
WASP · 1:37 PM on May 21, 2011
Heard the DA is gonna plan to prosecute the officer by sending it to the garnd jury for indictmet & the family of the deceased kid is consulting with an attorney,and planning to file a wrongful death suit aginst the officer,his supervisor,the police chief,and the superintendent of the NISD for several millions.

Chances are the officer will get indicted,and convicted since the kid was unarmed,and the school district will be begging to settle out of court.

Here's some news links to officers losing their careers for being "gung-ho"

http://www.hinterlandgazette.com/2010/1 ... isman.html

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/generic/new ... e-chrisman

This what happens when an officer is "gun-ho",armed vs unarmed is gonna be defeat for the NISD in a civil lawsuit.[/list]
CountryPlace · 7:02 PM on May 22, 2011
Thumbs down for outrageously bad spelling.2008 · 12:19 PM on May 23, 2011
Of course being a gang member, doing drugs, getting in fights, etc., made this kid a poster body for what parents want to see in their child. I mean he could have grown up to be president. Been done before so why not this kid?Name withheld · 3:00 PM on May 23, 2011
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OMAR · 4:02 PM on May 21, 2011
I knew we had not heard the last about that guy... I'm glad somebody took the time to investigate...Name withheld · 6:14 PM on May 21, 2011
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Name withheld · 7:01 AM on May 22, 2011
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Liza_Null · 9:24 AM on May 25, 2011
You know him? Then feel free to call the DA's office and TELL THE DA what you know about this fool. Your information is needed to paint the picture of REALITY for the jury.[/list]
Mongo · 10:53 PM on May 21, 2011
Wow, 20 comments and the story hasn't even been posted yet.

Since this is a "coming Sunday" story, I'll either have to read it in print or wait until Mon/Tues before it shows here.

I used to have a Weekend EN subscription, but then it morphed into a Fri/Sat/Sun version... then into Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun and I finally had to switch to Sunday delivery only. I think I now pay a premium to avoid getting 3 extra papers a week - odd way to run a business!Mongo · 10:56 PM on May 21, 2011
Remembering one of my favority Dan Cook columns...

He's explaining to his wife about the terms of his latest (and final) contract with the Express-News. He says they're gonna pay him a lot more but he's going to write fewer columns. She asks him "Did you ask them how much more they'd pay you to not write any columns at all?"Ombudsman · 7:00 AM on May 22, 2011
Wonder if a suit can be filed for wrongful parenting? How convenient for this family to wash their hands of their personal responsibility for this tragic outcome by extorting money from a educational system that has been forced to field a police force to protect the good students from punks like their son. The substance of this officer's disciplinary record is administrative iin nature, and totally disconnected from his making a snap judgement against an aggresive suspect. This action, as all such police actions that cause the death of an individual, will be properly reviewed by a Grand Jury, who will use factual evidence and information to make their decision...unlike EN, which will undoubtedly connect the wrong dots to play upon the hype and sentiments surrounding this situation in order to sell more papers.OMAR · 4:35 PM on May 22, 2011
Snap judgemnt? supervisor "dont pursue." officer: pursues. Outcome...murder..Splash · 6:47 PM on May 22, 2011
The disciplinary record is administrative in nature. 12 warnings and 4 suspensions? Hmmmupthere · 7:26 PM on May 22, 2011
I disagree, had he followed his supervisors orders then it probably would have a different ending. A different, probably more disciplined officer would have been the one in the backyard. Not someone pissed off because he didn't stop for him.Liza_Null · 11:18 AM on May 23, 2011
You're as big an IDIOT as Alvarado. In fact, you sound like you're a relative of Alvarado. A close relative, at that. "Administrative" in nature? This cowboy COULD NOT FOLLOW DIRECTIONS. An "aggressive" suspect? Really? An UNARMED child? If that's what Alvarado considers to be a threat, then Alvarado is the wrong person for the job. And yes, a Grand Jury WILL decide, and when the facts are in, Alvarado is GOING DOWN. As well he should.Liza_Null · 12:23 PM on May 23, 2011
Disobeying a DIRECT ORDER is not "administrative" in nature. His "snap judgements" is what got him all those write-ups and suspensions to begin with.Name withheld · 2:54 PM on May 23, 2011
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satexan · 9:12 AM on May 22, 2011
A Troubled School District Officer and a Troubled Youth collide. Each side had a history of not following orders. Comments from each side are claiming each individual were really good people. Records show otherwise as in most cases. If the Officer was fired this would not have happened. If the teen was better disciplined by parents this would not have happened. We could go on and on. Now each side blames the other for it's own problems. That's right their own problems that escalated throughout the years. It is an unfortunate incident. Learn from this ! Fix it.

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mgsatx-18308424 · 1:01 PM on May 22, 2011
Even if the kid wasn't perfect, this cop had no right to unilaterally impose the death penalty for a minor assault.Splash · 6:48 PM on May 22, 2011
Excellent statement!!dr_gonzo · 9:38 PM on May 22, 2011
Word!feduptoo · 11:27 PM on May 22, 2011
I agree with satexan 101%. Both of these individuals were at the wrong place at the wrong time.Liza_Null · 12:11 PM on May 23, 2011
You sound as if the situation were entirely equal in nature. A 27-year-old man with ten years' law enforcement experience, vs. a 14-year-old CHILD?!?

If our expectations of the officer equal our expectations of a 14-year-old child, then our problems are far more SERIOUS than we thought........kismet · 1:07 PM on May 23, 2011
Liza- you are right. The sides are not equal. The parents should bear the brunt of the blame.45969 · 2:39 PM on May 23, 2011
liza keeps calling him a child, as if he were a good little boy playing in the front yard with his toy truck, no he was a little bad kid who had no respect, im not saying the cop was right because he was deffinatly wrong in shooting, and im not saying the boy got what he deserved, but when you try and act like a big boy, you get big boy actions taken toward you.Name withheld · 2:51 PM on May 23, 2011
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Vor · 9:53 AM on May 25, 2011
They won't.Mac-18122429 · 7:30 PM on May 27, 2011
well then we should kill the officer and that way both are gone and society wont have to worry about either anymore....Deal?[/list]
lala-24328461 · 12:18 PM on May 22, 2011
Is Alvarado the cop who beat up my nephew several times and tracked him down just to get his jollies? Wonder?Name withheld · 4:02 PM on May 23, 2011
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Charley-23909102 · 12:30 PM on May 22, 2011
I'm glad I don't pay taxes to the NISD, because they are going to lose, even if the family is also partially at fault for the kid's actions. As for the officer, saying he was "within inches and I was in fear of my life" doesn't jibe with the alleged lack of gunshot residue, nor witness accounts stating he had no marks or scratches on his face, when he alledges he was hit in the face by the shed door. He's going to be indicted, and is likely looking at conviction as well.Liza_Null · 12:21 PM on May 23, 2011
Even if he was hit in the face by the shed door, he STILL knew it was very, very likely this kid was unarmed, as are the majority of kids his age. He disobeyed a DIRECT ORDER and took matters into his own hands. Now his life is ruined, and one life has ended forever.Texian · 4:37 PM on May 25, 2011
Seems like the kid also disobeyed a DIRECT ORDER when he was told to HALT and took matters into his own hands too. He put his fate in his own hands when he hit the officer with the shed door, and the outcome was tragic. Was a bad decision on his part, he coulda just come out with his hands up. Just saying.russell-23220136 · 5:09 PM on May 25, 2011
Texian, the officer had no apparent injuries after the incident. The autopsy shows that the kid was not near the officer when shot because there was no gun residue. Therefore, the officer lied, so how can you assume that the officer was hit by the shed door as the officer claims?Texian · 6:21 PM on May 25, 2011
russell - Where did you read that the kid was shot at point blank where he would have gunpowder residue. I musta missed that.russell-23220136 · 9:38 PM on May 25, 2011
Page 3--"In a report, Alvarado wrote that he was approaching the shed with his gun drawn when the door flew open, hitting him in the face. No witness recalled seeing any injuries to the officer's face after the shooting.

'The suspect bull rushed his way out of the shed and lunged right at me,' Alvarado wrote. 'The suspect was literally inches away from me, and I feared for my safety.'
Tracing the bullet's path into the boy's chest as it ricocheted off the pancreas, colon, right liver and left kidney and exited the stomach, an autopsy report notes a lack of gunpowder on Lopez's bloodstained T-shirt.

'There is no evidence of close range firing of the wound,' the report concludes."[/list]
Banned18Times · 12:31 PM on May 22, 2011
Lemme guess--

UNION MEMBER??????Xavier-22414844 · 5:08 PM on May 22, 2011
Please, this is Texas were talking about. Unions have no power.[/list]


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