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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2010, 03:42:31 PM »
Ultimately, I support it but only because I can't stand to think of children being cold, hungry and uninsured. Same with those experiencing real difficulties. But as a single Mom, working, tutoring on the side, doing my thesis, with no family close by (and I'll say it, deaf), it is hard to be as unequivocal as I used to be.  About 20-30% of my students are pregnant or parents and they are just back on the welfare cycle as their parents, and so are their kids.

But there are many types of welfare: corporate, international, etc.
I just don't know what the alternative is.
But what I do know is that if one is philosophically opposed to government or corporate dependency - than they should take it upon themselves to be self reliant and off the grid.
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2010, 04:21:43 PM »
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What about people who are anti-government but also have no problem being supported by it?


Red Staters:


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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2010, 05:21:45 PM »
I find the chart interesting, but not too sure how to read it.

Many of the red states are where our military bases are.  They would tilt the scales as far as costs go and the state is not expected to shoulder the financial burden.  So these states would take more than they receive.
The Democratic states are driving out businesses because they feel "Profit" is a dirty word so our businesses are going overseas where they are appreciated.  Businesses are leaving the urban areas because who wants to run a business in a high crime area where people dont want to work.  So the money has to go to support bad decisions by local democratic leaders to try to sure up the infrastructure which use to be supported by local small businesses which fled.



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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2010, 06:26:21 PM »
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I find the chart interesting, but not too sure how to read it.

Many of the red states are where our military bases are.  They would tilt the scales as far as costs go and the state is not expected to shoulder the financial burden.  So these states would take more than they receive.
The Democratic states are driving out businesses because they feel "Profit" is a dirty word so our businesses are going overseas where they are appreciated.  Businesses are leaving the urban areas because who wants to run a business in a high crime area where people dont want to work.  So the money has to go to support bad decisions by local democratic leaders to try to sure up the infrastructure which use to be supported by local small businesses which fled.



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Driving out businesses?  Are you high?  You mean the businesses that pay virtually NO taxes, but still somehow get refunds?  The infrastructure used to be supported by the tax base, the corporate part of which has gradually disappeared since the Reagan administration.  The bad decisions were the ones that allowed corporations to weasel out of their obligations to their country.  What was the corporate tax rate under Eisenhower? Or Nixon?  Highly paid lawyers and accountants have been chipping away at those tax codes, finding ever more creative loopholes and shelters, for DECADES.  An acceleration occurs whenever someone named Bush is anywhere near the White House;

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corpora ... lummet.php


I don't know why the Republican party is so terrified of homosexuals, but my guess is they think that queers are somehow costing them money.
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2010, 06:46:14 PM »
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I find the chart interesting, but not too sure how to read it.

Many of the red states are where our military bases are.  They would tilt the scales as far as costs go and the state is not expected to shoulder the financial burden.  So these states would take more than they receive.
The Democratic states are driving out businesses because they feel "Profit" is a dirty word so our businesses are going overseas where they are appreciated.  Businesses are leaving the urban areas because who wants to run a business in a high crime area where people dont want to work.  So the money has to go to support bad decisions by local democratic leaders to try to sure up the infrastructure which use to be supported by local small businesses which fled.



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Driving out businesses?  Are you high?  You mean the businesses that pay virtually NO taxes, but still somehow get refunds?  The infrastructure used to be supported by the tax base, the corporate part of which has gradually disappeared since the Reagan administration.  The bad decisions were the ones that allowed corporations to weasel out of their obligations to their country.  What was the corporate tax rate under Eisenhower? Or Nixon?  Highly paid lawyers and accountants have been chipping away at those tax codes, finding ever more creative loopholes and shelters, for DECADES.  An acceleration occurs whenever someone named Bush is anywhere near the White House;

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corpora ... lummet.php

Democrats are taxing the crap out of them and as a result are moving overseas.  I think we both agree that democrats dont like the word profit and want to tax them more.  this results in increased corporate layoffs to help pay for the democrats bigger government and spending.

If Democrats could just let the companies grow and hire people without interfering we could get more people employed and reduce the burden of unemployment on the txpayers.  We need to get this economy going again.  Forcing companies to move overseas to avoid the tax increases isnt the right answer.

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I don't know why the Republican party is so terrified of homosexuals, but my guess is they think that queers are somehow costing them money.

They do cost more money.



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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2010, 07:28:18 PM »
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 We need to get this economy going again. Forcing companies to move overseas to avoid the tax increases isnt the right answer....

I agree completely, I think we should impose penalties that would make it financially prohibitive to move an american corporation to another country.  Why are our biggest companies so horribly unpatriotic?
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2010, 07:31:54 PM »
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I don't know why the Republican party is so terrified of homosexuals, but my guess is they think that queers are somehow costing them money.

They do cost more money.

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Really?  How?
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2010, 08:23:07 PM »
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 We need to get this economy going again. Forcing companies to move overseas to avoid the tax increases isnt the right answer....

I agree completely, I think we should impose penalties that would make it financially prohibitive to move an american corporation to another country.  Why are our biggest companies so horribly unpatriotic?

Patriotic is doing what is best for the country.  If companies stayed and allowed themselves to be out-competed by foreign companies then that would be unpatriotic and would cause massive unemployment and cause a huge trade deficit.  If they are forced out of the country by high taxes at least they are still American based companies out there which could be easily brought back home with some tax incentives.

Maybe at some point in the future a new president may feel it worthy to keep the companies on US soil and employ Americans instead of foreigners.



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« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2010, 09:10:34 AM »
Q: Why are gay Saudis a big dilemma for Republicans?

A: Because they're gays with oil.
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2010, 09:44:32 AM »
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Driving out businesses?  Are you high?  You mean the businesses that pay virtually NO taxes, but still somehow get refunds?  The infrastructure used to be supported by the tax base, the corporate part of which has gradually disappeared since the Reagan administration.  The bad decisions were the ones that allowed corporations to weasel out of their obligations to their country.  What was the corporate tax rate under Eisenhower? Or Nixon?  Highly paid lawyers and accountants have been chipping away at those tax codes, finding ever more creative loopholes and shelters, for DECADES.  An acceleration occurs whenever someone named Bush is anywhere near the White House;

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corpora ... lummet.php

 :notworthy:  :notworthy:

Jobs started going overseas when Reagan started his "trickle down" theory.




http://www.majorityleader.gov/content/r ... g-business

The Real Republican Agenda: Send Jobs Overseas, Helping Big Business


Today Republicans unveiled their agenda to go back to the failed economic policies that led to the deepest recession in generations.  Just as we expected, the focus is on help for the wealthy over the middle class and big corporations over small businesses.  A rundown of the Real Republican Agenda:
 
Outsourcing Jobs
 
Republicans have voted several times against stopping the outsourcing of American jobs.  And despite the fact that stopping outsourcing received the most votes on the “America Speaks Out” website, Republicans did not include it in their agenda unveiled today.
 
Fighting for Big Corporations
 
Republicans continue to fight for policies that favor big corporations over small businesses.  Republicans are fighting for an extension of tax cuts for the wealthy, claiming they want to protect small businesses.  But many of the “small businesses” they say they want to protect are actually billion dollar firms that structure themselves as partnerships, billionaire hedge fund managers and movie stars. Additionally, many of the 3% of “small businesses” in the highest bracket aren’t small at all – they’re big, Fortune 500 corporations.  Many of these corporations actually filed regular corporate taxes before 2001, and are now exploiting a loophole by changing their tax status to pay as “individuals” specifically because Bush cut individual rates.
 
No Help For Small Businesses
 
Republicans have voted against measures that would help small businesses, including:

    * The Small Business Tax Relief Act, would have strengthened our economy in two ways: reducing the paperwork burden on small businesses, leaving them more time and resources to invest in job creation; and ending the tax loopholes that encourage large multinational corporations to ship jobs overseas.
    * Small Business Jobs and Credit Act, which boosts lending to small businesses by investing capital in community and smaller banks under terms that become more favorable to participating banks as they increase their total loans to small businesses
    * Small Business and Infrastructure Jobs Tax Act allows a 100% exclusion from gross income of gain from the sale of qualified small business stock acquired after March 15, 2010, and before January 1, 2012 and increases the tax deduction for business start-up expenditures in 2010 and 2011
    * Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act provides tax incentives for hiring new employees that were previously unemployed and extends the Recovery Act provision that would allow small businesses to write-off capital expenditures up to $250,000
    * FY 2010 Appropriations increases funding to revitalize the SBA after eight years of Bush-era budget cuts and provides $28 billion in new SBA lending

Click here to read in pdf. http://www.majorityleader.gov/docupload ... siness.pdf

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I don't know why the Republican party is so terrified of homosexuals, but my guess is they think that queers are somehow costing them money.

My theory, two reasons:

1.  They think the Big Bad Bible doesn't like it

2.  So many of them are gay and in the closet and need to come out heavily against the gays to make themselves look good in the eyes of the Fundies.
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2010, 09:56:21 AM »
Business Experts Have Explained That Barbara Boxer’s and the Democrat Party’s Job-Killing Policies Are To Blame For Jobs Leaving America:
Job-Killing Policies, Including Higher Corporate Tax Rates And More Regulation, Are To Blame For Companies Outsourcing Labor To Other Countries.
The list of companies who have given up on the United States as a viable place to successfully run their business’ both small, medium and large is mind numbing.


Additional reasons U.S. companies outsource is that our own government pursues policies that drive investment and job creation offshore: excessive taxes, needless regulations, lengthy permit processes, a decreasing supply of U.S. citizens with technical and engineering degrees, and a general governmental misunderstanding of how to support private-sector jobs.

Neither Obama or his current administration have a clue on how to create jobs in the private sector and equally important driving them out of the country.
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2010, 10:33:08 AM »
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Business Experts Have Explained That Barbara Boxer’s and the Democrat Party’s Job-Killing Policies Are To Blame For Jobs Leaving America:
Job-Killing Policies, Including Higher Corporate Tax Rates And More Regulation, Are To Blame For Companies Outsourcing Labor To Other Countries.
The list of companies who have given up on the United States as a viable place to successfully run their business’ both small, medium and large is mind numbing.


Additional reasons U.S. companies outsource is that our own government pursues policies that drive investment and job creation offshore: excessive taxes, needless regulations, lengthy permit processes, a decreasing supply of U.S. citizens with technical and engineering degrees, and a general governmental misunderstanding of how to support private-sector jobs.

Neither Obama or his current administration have a clue on how to create jobs in the private sector and equally important driving them out of the country.
Link


Comment below from your linked op-ed piece, which basically just quoted huge business owners that the GOP is trying to protect.  They could give a shit about the little guy or middle America.  They just held up tax cuts for 90% of the people to ensure that the top 10% get to keep their Bush era tax cuts as well.


Sure - because the Bush regime was so all-fired hell-bent on keeping American jobs in America, too (i.e: NOT)!

It's the corporate gangs which OWN the government, not the other way around!

Who do you think lobbies whom, to ensure that they CAN legally out-source all the domestic jobs and so down-size the domestic labor force, in order to "save money" on OUR "expensive" salaries, and so to "increase THEIR corporate profits"?!

Corporations hardly pay ANY taxes as it is, and they are ALL owned by the Banksters, who pay absolutely NO taxes at all!

Recently, starting with Salesman Bush and then quickly doubled by his equally corporate-sponsored replacement, Salesman Obama, we saw OUR tax monies GIVEN away to both the banksters as "Bail-outs" AND to their copororate minions as "Stimulus funds!"

"OUR" government pays OUR taxes TO the Banksters and to the Corporations!!!

SO It's pretty darned obvious who owns whom!

...and THEN, tards like you come along and write trashy sales-pieces like this for your sales-masters!

Who do you think you're kidding?!

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http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/n ... 138494.ece

Mr. Explainer Guy tackles the Bush tax cuts

By Howard Troxler, Times Columnist
In Print: Tuesday, December 7, 2010


Q. Hey, Mr. Explainer Guy, this was so much fun the other day that I thought I'd go for a bigger topic. Can you explain this "Bush tax cut" business?

A. Sure. But you mean the Bush tax hikes.

Q. Hmm, no, I don't think so. Everybody's talking about the Bush tax cuts.

A. It's the same thing. They made a deal in Washington a few years ago to cut taxes on everybody — then to jack them back up on Jan. 1, 2011.

Q. That sounds like a tax cut to me.

A. Yeah, they were cuts then. But now they're tax hikes. Hey, I'm just telling you the deal they made.

Q. All right, sheesh, you want to call it something different than everybody else in the world, go ahead. But what does it mean?

A. Under the 2003 deal, everybody's tax rate got cut by a few points, no matter what bracket they were in.

The lowest rate dropped from 15 percent down to 10 percent. The highest rate dropped from 39.6 percent down to 35 percent. Everybody in between got a cut, too.

Q. Anything else?

A. We also got higher deductions, a better break for having kids, lower taxes for selling our assets ("capital gains") and other goodies, too.

Q. Why did they cut taxes then, but say they had to go back up on Jan. 1, 2011?

A. Because the Republicans didn't have enough votes to do it permanently. So they did it under funky rules that allowed it for just a few years.

Q. So now the deadline is here, and Congress is fighting over whether to keep these lower taxes?

A. Actually, the Democrats have already caved on the main point and agreed that most people should be able to keep these tax cuts.

But the Democrats have still been trying to let the tax cuts expire for the richest 2 percent of Americans.

Q. And the Republicans?

A. They insisted that the top two brackets keep their tax cuts, too. That's everybody making more than $200,000 a year as an individual and $250,000 as a couple.

Q. So the Republicans were holding up the deal to stick up for rich guys?

A. That's the Democrat spin, but it didn't catch fire. Class warfare isn't working.

Q. If we keep these tax cuts, doesn't that make our debt worse?

A. Yep, by an extra $3.7 trillion over the decade. Or just a mere $3 trillion if we stick it to the rich guys.

Q. On the other hand, wouldn't it hurt to let tax rates go up in a bad economy?

A. That's exactly what the Republicans say. Makes sense to me.

Q. So what's going to happen?

A. Looks like they'll make a deal in Congress for another "temporary" extension of these lower tax rates for a couple more years.

The Republicans will win the big fight now — they'll keep the tax cuts for the richest two brackets.

The Democrats will get some kind of consolation prize, like extending unemployment benefits for millions of Americans that were going to expire.

Q. That doesn't seem too bad. We're still hittin' the rich guys for 35 percent, the rest of us get to keep lower tax rates, and as a side benefit, millions get more short-term help.

A. I agree. On the other hand, the debt keeps going up and the ship will keep sinking, unless we do something about spending.

Q. Can you fix that, too?

A. Yes, but I'm out of space.




Now, can we get back to the topic at hand?  Why is the GOP so damn scared of gay people?  And Whooter, how do you come to the conclusion that gay people cost more money?  Although I concede that I'd pay good money for a great gay to come in and redecorate my house.  Ever notice that whenever a certain area of a city/town starts to become populated by gays that the house values begin to rise?
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2010, 10:40:23 AM »
The Democrats are particularly hypocritical when it comes to this. they almost uniformly promote policies that raise the cost of labor in the US - higher taxes, onerous regulations, card check, and the like. Yet they seem to be flummoxed by the fact that jobs are then being outsourced. Since they can't seem to recognize their fault in it, they blame Republicans - without proof. For the most part, Republicans support policies that make the cost of labor less expensive, which should tend to resist outsourcing.



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Re: Why is the GOP so scared of gay people?
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2010, 10:47:04 AM »
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The Democrats are particularly hypocritical when it comes to this. they almost uniformly promote policies that raise the cost of labor in the US - higher taxes, onerous regulations, card check, and the like. Yet they seem to be flummoxed by the fact that jobs are then being outsourced. Since they can't seem to recognize their fault in it, they blame Republicans - without proof.


 :rofl:  :rofl:

Projection if I ever saw it.

Yes, forget about the eight years Bush II was in office.  Forget about what he did with a SURPLUS that we had.  Forget about the ridiculous wars he got us into (which, incidentally, the GOP wasn't concerned AT ALL about the national debt then).  Forget about the ruins that he left for other people to clean up.  And while we're at it....Damn Obama to hell for not fixing it all RIGHT NOW!

Although I am pissed that, yet again, the Dems & Obama have NO BALLS!  They should have stood up to this tax bullshit and forced the GOP to either filibuster it or go back to their bankers, oops - I mean backers and explain to the top 2% that they're gonna have to suck it up a little longer.  I'm sure that 2% of the highest earners are really hurting right now!  ::)
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