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Whooter:

--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---And then re-opened under a different name. The exact same shit that goes on today
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Vastly different, Anne.  The days of straight are long gone.


--- Quote --- Well, when I hear the exact same things happening that happened to me way back then, it seems fairly reasonable to assume that not much, if anything, has changed....except superficially. It's always the "kinder, gentler" version of some other program that got shut down or closed on it's own due to the horrible publicity. Straight was billed as The Seed minus the abuse, but ended up being even more abusive than the Seed. Then when Straight was shut down, suddenly KIDS opened up. Same staff, same techniques, just a different name to avoid the bad publicity of Straight. Then when KIDS was shut down it became Pathways (I think....I'm not up on the chronology of the program names) but every time one closed down, another opened up using the exact same methods but they always swore they took the "good" from the closed down program and left out the "bad". Bull-fucking-shit.
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You are living off assumptions and extremely dated information, Anne.   You have no valid foundation on which to base your conclusions.  I have seen them first hand and they are nothing like you describe in your time at Straight.


--- Quote --- Why is it never, ever the programs fault with you? When you fuck with someone's psyche.....their very core, especially at an age when they're developing who they are as separate beings from their parents, it causes deep, lasting damage. I don't care how well intentioned it is or isn't.....when you force that kind of "treatment" on a kid, you fuck with their very soul.
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Again, most of todays programs are not straight.  They are nothing like straight or the seed etc.
If all the programs today were straight then I might agree with you.



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Samara:
Taylor Hurst is an extreme example. But obviously, the program did him no favors.  Especially if the program model uses attack therapy as an interactive model. I see programs as directly contributing to various suicides, as well. One reason is because you are emotionally dislocated. However, you are also indoctrinated, so you can't even address this as a program-related issue. Also, the break down to build up is a false premise. There is no build up. You can't break down an individual and expect them to ever be whole. Individuals can only build from their own strengths and hopefully, recognize areas of weaknesses to either accept or fortify. Becoming a Stepford program kid does not constitute "building up."

DJ is right about one thing. Sick kids - sociopaths and highly intelligent manipulators only honed their skills in this environment. Those kids got a sick sense of pleasure humiliating and attacking others for staff approval. The real feather in their caps occurred when they could degrade rookie staff with the approval of power staff.  This did not often happen, but one of my most disturbing raps featured this scenario. Healthy kids, of course, were traumatized. Sick kids became staff. We had many staff graduates that visited their monstrosity on others. It is very hard for me to see them as "victims."

Watchful Yeoman:
Exactly how does Whooter become the resident expert about how programs were and are today?  If we are to believe his highly suspect "personal story," Whooter has never seen any program from the inside and has only seen one up close and that was over ten years ago.  What exactly gives Whooter any expertise or experience with programs when he has only seen one over a decade ago?

Now, if you believe as I do that Whooter is intimately involved in the TTI then maybe you can accept that Whooter has insider knowledge and he's just spinning it for profit.  But, if you take him at his word (lol) he knows nothing except what he saw as a parent a decade ago, which is to say, basically nothing.


--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---You have never experienced a program of todays design and therefore have no valid basis for your opinion.

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This applies to you, Whooter.  what little experience you have is ten years old already.  You know nothing about what happens in programs today.  Nothing.  Yet you hold yourself out as an expert.  But you know exactly nothing.

Ursus:
Here's another story that came out that first day of news coverage, the Monday after the murder:

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7NEWS WHDH-TV
Man accused of murder in death of pregnant girlfriend



Posted:  03/05/07 at 1:39 pm EST

WORCESTER, Mass. -- A Worcester man is charged with the murder of his 23-year-old pregnant girlfriend.

Police discovered Katherine MacDougall's body in an apartment on Elm Street Sunday night.

Taylor Hurst, 24, was arrested a short time later and charged with murder. He was ordered held without bail following his arraignment Monday in Central District Court in Worcester.

An autopsy is being conducted today to determine the cause of death of the victim, who was about three months pregnant.

Police Sergeant Kerry Hazelhurst told the Telegram and Gazette that MacDougall may have been dead for two days before her body was discovered.


(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press.)
Copyright ©2010 Sunbeam Television Corp.

Ursus:
Here's the second story from the Worcester Telegram & Gazette (and the second link posted in the OP)...

[See also previous article from the Worcester Telegram & Gazette.]

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Worcester Telegram & Gazette
Tuesday, March 6, 2007

Woman found strangled
Boyfriend charged with murder

By Scott J. Croteau · TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF
scroteau@telegram.com


Taylor Hurst is arraigned yesterday in the strangulation death of Katherine MacDougall.
(T&G Staff/MARK C. IDE)

WORCESTER —  A 23-year-old woman authorities believe was three months pregnant was allegedly strangled by her boyfriend in their Elm Street apartment Friday night and left there until police discovered her body Sunday.

Taylor Hurst, 24, of 90 Elm St., Apt. 1, was charged with murder and violation of the open container law yesterday in Central District Court. The Louisiana-born man is accused of strangling Katherine MacDougall about 7 p.m. Friday. Police said Ms. MacDougall might have been Mr. Hurst's fiancée.

Police said Mr. Hurst allegedly stayed in the apartment for a couple of days after the death, and admitted to committing the crime.

"Hurst gave a detailed statement, indicating that he killed the victim by manual strangulation on Friday," according to the police report by Detective Sgt. John W. Towns.

Ms. MacDougall's mother called police to check on her well-being Sunday, police said. The mother called the apartment, but no one answered. The mailbox on the door had the last names of Mr. Hurst and Ms. MacDougall on it.

"Her mother called out of concern," police spokesman Sgt. Kerry F. Hazelhurst said. "When officers got there, the place was in darkness — all locked up."

Detectives learned that the couple had been recently engaged, according to Detective Capt. Edward J. McGinn Jr. Police understand that the child was Mr. Hurst's, he added.

Authorities are still investigating the slaying.

"We don"t know exactly what the motive was," Capt. McGinn said.

When police went to the home, no one responded. They then alerted patrols to be on the lookout for the young woman. A description of her car was also given.

Authorities went back to the apartment about 10 p.m. Sunday and entered the home, after finding someone who had a key.

"Once inside, police immediately became suspicious, and ultimately located the body of the 23-year-old woman within the apartment," police said.

Ms. MacDougall, who worked at Staples headquarters in Framingham, was pronounced dead by paramedics. She was found in the bathroom of the apartment, which was described as well-kept and decorated with several family pictures.

About the time police were entering the apartment, Officer Joseph P. Hearn saw a 2000 green Pontiac Grand Prix, described as the victim's car, near Washington Square.

Mr. Hurst was found inside drinking a Budweiser beer, according to court records. He was arrested for the open container violation, taken to the station and interviewed by police.

The woman's family told authorities that Ms. MacDougall was three months pregnant, but police did not have medical records to confirm it, Sgt. Hazelhurst said.

Mr. Hurst has not been charged with any crimes related to ending the pregnancy.

"The stance being taken right now is, we are not pursuing those charges," the sergeant said.

Capt. McGinn said it is the department's understanding that the fetus would not have been viable outside the uterus.

The exact cause of Ms. MacDougall's death has not been determined, Sgt. Hazelhurst said. An autopsy was scheduled yesterday at the office of the state medical examiner.

There were no records in court or of calls to police regarding any past domestic violence at the apartment the two shared.

"There has been no history of domestic abuse between either parties," Sgt. Hazelhurst said.

The couple moved into the first-floor apartment of the three-story building about two months ago, according to Joel Fisak, who lives with his wife in the apartment directly above.

He described them as quiet loners.

"We rarely saw them," he said, but added that there is little interaction among the tenants at 90 Elm St. "I've never seen the people on the third floor. I just found it strange that she was 23 and never had any friends over. Neither did he."

A couple of weeks ago, Mr. Fisak encountered Mr. Hurst about 2 a.m. pacing back and forth outside the apartment building while a cab waited at the curb.

"He didn't do any of the things I would have done to get into my apartment like knock on the door or call out my wife's name," Mr. Fisak said. Finally Ms. MacDougall opened the door and said, "Where've you been?"

"My heart goes out to her parents," Mr. Fisak said. "Parents should never have to bury their children."

Mr. Hurst was held without bail in a quick arraignment yesterday. His case was continued to March 30. He wore a white sterile jumpsuit provided by police after they seized his clothing, which will be examined for evidence.

Mark Melady of the Telegram & Gazette staff contributed to this report.


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