Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Taylor Hurst
Guest3:
Another HLA "success" story... Taylor Hurst murdered his pregnant fiancee.
Gosh - why doesn't Ridge Creek use him as their Poster Boy????
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/featu ... rpass-2009
http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... 60661/1116 [list=][/list]
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest3" ---Another HLA "success" story... Taylor Hurst murdered his pregnant fiancee.
Gosh - why doesn't Ridge Creek use him as their Poster Boy????
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/featu ... rpass-2009
http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... 60661/1116 [list=][/list]
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Whoa, I read both links and I believe this is one of these very bazaar posts which makes me wonder how many posters here think. I have no idea what they mean. The links you presented, Guest3, have nothing to do with HLA. This murder occurred in Massachusetts and HLA is in Georgia. But I am sure in your mind somewhere you have made some connection that blames HLA for these events. So lets hear it: Is this guy a staff person who sneaks up to Massachusetts and kills people? Did this guy go to HLA and now HLA is responsible for everything he does for the rest of his life? Did they brainwash this kid to wait several years and then program him to kill people? Is there a conspiracy that is unfolding? Did the woman go to HLA and was so screwed up by it that this Taylor kid killed her to put her out of her misery?
There are people who graduated from Harvard who steal millions of dollars from people in scams. There are graduates from Yale University who kill people and abuse their wives and kids. What is wrong with you? How can you possibly connect a dotted line back to HLA on this? Is Yale and Harvard responsible for the actions of all their graduates?
Why is everyone so desperate to dirty up programs that they have to resort to extreme conspiracy theories and grab any random crime and try to blame it on a program? If these places are so bad why make up stories about that are not true?
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest3" ---Another HLA "success" story... Taylor Hurst murdered his pregnant fiancee.
Gosh - why doesn't Ridge Creek use him as their Poster Boy????
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/featu ... rpass-2009
http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... 60661/1116 [list type=][/list]
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Whoa, I read both links and I believe this is one of these very bazaar posts which makes me wonder how many posters here think. I have no idea what they mean. The links you presented, Guest3, have nothing to do with HLA. This murder occurred in Massachusetts and HLA is in Georgia. But I am sure in your mind somewhere you have made some connection that blames HLA for these events. So lets hear it]
Spin spin spin... :beat:
Why is it so difficult to understand, Whooter? You just don't want to acknowledge that this kind of thing is part and parcel of the fall-out from having been subjected to a thought reform program! There's a cognitive dissonance that comes from trying to assimilate that — or even just trying to come to some understanding of it — vis a vis the "real world." Kids sometimes snap from that, sometimes violently.
These programs clearly do not prepare everyone, perhaps anyone, for a normal mode of existence or a healthy outlook on life.
Incidentally, in case it wasn't obvious, or in case you felt disinclined to google it 'cuz that would have surely obviated ~90% of your condescending diatribe, Taylor Hurst was a former student at HLA.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Spin spin spin... :beat:
Why is it so difficult to understand, Whooter? You just don't want to acknowledge that this kind of thing is part and parcel of the fall-out from having been subjected to a thought reform program! There's a cognitive dissonance that comes from trying to assimilate that — or even just trying to come to some understanding of it — vis a vis the "real world." Kids sometimes snap from that, sometimes violently.
These programs clearly do not prepare everyone, perhaps anyone, for a normal mode of existence or a healthy outlook on life.
Incidentally, in case it wasn't obvious, or in case you felt disinclined to google it 'cuz that would have surely obviated ~90% of your condescending diatribe, Taylor Hurst was a former student at HLA.
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Come-on, Ursus. I read the article and there is no indication that HLA had anything to do with it. If you took a room full of alcoholics and put them through AA and then years later one of the group kills 3 people in a alcohol fueled rage or drunk driving accident then we could not Conclude that AA caused this. We may conclude that AA was not effective but even this would be a stretch because we do not know if this person was sober a few years after he left AA.
Maybe the kid is a borderline sociopath and would have killed people in his class in highschool but HLA helped him to handle his rage better and after the program he slowly resorted back to his old ways. Maybe this kid started taking drugs or alcohol. Maybe he stopped taking medication which would have kept his rage under control. There are so many different possibilities which are equally viable.
Why try to draw a dotted line back to one event (HLA) and say this is the cause without knowing what events were effecting this person at the time of the killings? I have seen people try to do the same thing when a child commits suicide years after graduating from a program. To me it is just an obvious attempt to try to place blame on the programs for something they have no control over. Maybe some of these programs are not the best but it makes people look foolish to try to blame them for events outside their boundaries.
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Shadyacres:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Spin spin spin... :beat:
Why is it so difficult to understand, Whooter? You just don't want to acknowledge that this kind of thing is part and parcel of the fall-out from having been subjected to a thought reform program! There's a cognitive dissonance that comes from trying to assimilate that — or even just trying to come to some understanding of it — vis a vis the "real world." Kids sometimes snap from that, sometimes violently.
These programs clearly do not prepare everyone, perhaps anyone, for a normal mode of existence or a healthy outlook on life.
Incidentally, in case it wasn't obvious, or in case you felt disinclined to google it 'cuz that would have surely obviated ~90% of your condescending diatribe, Taylor Hurst was a former student at HLA.
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Come-on, Ursus. I read the article and there is no indication that HLA had anything to do with it. If you took a room full of alcoholics and put them through AA and then years later one of the group kills 3 people in a alcohol fueled rage or drunk driving accident then we could not Conclude that AA caused this. We may conclude that AA was not effective but even this would be a stretch because we do not know if this person was sober a few years after he left AA.
As useless and counterproductive as I believe AA to be, they do not hold people captive, which makes their coercive thought reform tactics much less dangerous than those used in places like HLA. Whooter, are you seriously just going to ignore all of the cases of PTSD caused by these places? I will again remind you that these programs use a "treatment model" that is very close to one that has been recognized as torture by the United Nations.
Maybe the kid is a borderline sociopath and would have killed people in his class in highschool but HLA helped him to handle his rage better and after the program he slowly resorted back to his old ways. Maybe this kid started taking drugs or alcohol. Maybe he stopped taking medication which would have kept his rage under control. There are so many different possibilities which are equally viable.
It is far more likely that HLA actually turned him into a sociopath, as that is the best type of person to be if you want to be successful in one of those programs. It is mentioned in the article that he was indeed using drugs and alcohol, wasn't HLA supposed to cure him of that? Where did all of his rage come from, I wonder?
Why try to draw a dotted line back to one event (HLA) and say this is the cause without knowing what events were effecting this person at the time of the killings? I have seen people try to do the same thing when a child commits suicide years after graduating from a program. To me it is just an obvious attempt to try to place blame on the programs for something they have no control over. Maybe some of these programs are not the best but it makes people look foolish to try to blame them for events outside their boundaries.
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What is outside their boundaries? Their "treatment" effects the kid for his whole life. You know as well as I do Whooter that one of the hallmarks of these places is a kind of dissociative amnesia. The brain protects itself by "forgetting" extremely traumatic events, but it is usually only temporary. Often the person will have vivid flashbacks and nightmares that might not even start until they have been out of the program for 10 or 20 years.
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