Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Taylor Hurst
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---There is actually quite a profound difference between learning to modify one's external behavior, and revamping one's internal psyche and self-identity. Especially when that latter process involves a "break them down, then build them back up" modus operandi that is imposed on one by others. I don't think you'll find many professionals who'd equate these two processes.
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This is a very good point and well taken. I also believe you would not find a single professional willing to equate toilet training with troubled teen program behavior modification, despite the protestations of your resident "forum troll" who seems bent on disrupting the converstaion about this abused boy's subsequent criminal behavior.
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Actually it was Ursus who brought up the toilet training comparison. If you take some time to read up on Behavior Modification you will find that it can be applied to toddlers as well as teenagers and adults. Many programs use positive reinforcement to attain changes in the students behavior which is in-essence Behavior Modification.
Everyone works well as a group we get Pizza for dinner..... If we all work together and get to the next leg to the trip we can break early and have some free time... If you make it to the next level you can get more freedoms etc.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" --- Many of these programs are designed to get the kid back on track, build up their self esteem and strengthen family ties.
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You can believe that all you want but the exact opposite is what happens.
--- Quote ---If something extremely traumatic occurs while they are in the program then I would agree.
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Something traumatic occurred every single day that I was in Straight.
--- Quote ---But again the program is designed to get the kids back on track.
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No, it's really not. It's designed to drain the parents wallets.
--- Quote --- The kids are not traumatized.
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You have no authority to speak on that since you've never been through a program. They most definitely ARE traumatized.
--- Quote --- After they get out they can choose to go back to their old way of life if they want but many chose not to because they were shown that they have control of their future and can be successful if they choose to. If they want to go back and sit in their bedroom and do drugs the rest of their life then that is their choice. The school cannot be blamed for that.
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Such a double sided coin....if the kid does great, it's due to the "success" of the program, but if he fails, it's because he didn't apply himself enough and has NOTHING to do with the abuse he suffered AT the program. ::)
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---You can believe that all you want but the exact opposite is what happens.
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Actually you are wrong, Anne. I believe it may not be true in your individual case or with straight.
--- Quote --- Something traumatic occurred every single day that I was in Straight.
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That is one of the reasons straight is closed.
--- Quote --- You have no authority to speak on that since you've never been through a program. They most definitely ARE traumatized.
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Kids are not traumatized in todays programs. You have never experienced a program of todays design and therefore have no valid basis for your opinion.
--- Quote --- Such a double sided coin....if the kid does great, it's due to the "success" of the program, but if he fails, it's because he didn't apply himself enough....
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Exactly, I think most everyone here on fornits has said that these kids are old enough to decide for themselves how their life should go. Some even believe they should have a choice on whether or not they should attend a program even.
I believe, for the most part, that the child is mature enough after graduation to decide if they want to continue down a new path or the old path of destruction. I don’t think the child should continue to blames others for their bad choices post graduation.
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Shadyacres:
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--- Quote --- You have no authority to speak on that since you've never been through a program. They most definitely ARE traumatized.
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Kids are not traumatized in todays programs. You have never experienced a program of todays design and therefore have no valid basis for your opinion.
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Uh, by your own criteria, neither do you. Being a parent who does this to your child does not qualify as "experiencing a program". There are many posts here that prove you wrong Whooter, MANY kids have been traumatized by programs that still exist today.
Anne Bonney:
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That is one of the reasons straight is closed.
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And then re-opened under a different name. The exact same shit that goes on today
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Kids are not traumatized in todays programs. You have never experienced a program of todays design and therefore have no valid basis for your opinion.
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Well, when I hear the exact same things happening that happened to me way back then, it seems fairly reasonable to assume that not much, if anything, has changed....except superficially. It's always the "kinder, gentler" version of some other program that got shut down or closed on it's own due to the horrible publicity. Straight was billed as The Seed minus the abuse, but ended up being even more abusive than the Seed. Then when Straight was shut down, suddenly KIDS opened up. Same staff, same techniques, just a different name to avoid the bad publicity of Straight. Then when KIDS was shut down it became Pathways (I think....I'm not up on the chronology of the program names) but every time one closed down, another opened up using the exact same methods but they always swore they took the "good" from the closed down program and left out the "bad". Bull-fucking-shit.
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" --- Such a double sided coin....if the kid does great, it's due to the "success" of the program, but if he fails, it's because he didn't apply himself enough....
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Exactly, I think most everyone here on fornits has said that these kids are old enough to decide for themselves how their life should go. Some even believe they should have a choice on whether or not they should attend a program even.
I believe, for the most part, that the child is mature enough after graduation to decide if they want to continue down a new path or the old path of destruction. I don’t think the child should continue to blames others for their bad choices post graduation.
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Why is it never, ever the programs fault with you? When you fuck with someone's psyche.....their very core, especially at an age when they're developing who they are as separate beings from their parents, it causes deep, lasting damage. I don't care how well intentioned it is or isn't.....when you force that kind of "treatment" on a kid, you fuck with their very soul.
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