Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Taylor Hurst
DKincaidCFS:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Whooter has, in the past, repeatedly likened the behavior modification used in programs (i.e., thought reform) to the behavior modification used in toilet training.
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As someone who studies this professionally, I can assure you that these two types of "behavior modification" are vastly different. This analogy is obtuse at best.
Toilet training obvioulsy is not "behavior modification." It is exactly what its name implies: training. The child has no knowledge of toileting and is trained to use the potty. This is completely different from modifying the behavior of adults and subadults who already have certain views and understandings of the world and their place in it. They behave according to their own paradigms that they realized over a long time via experience.
Changing the ingrained behaviors of this set of people is a completely different ballgame than teaching a youngster to use the potty.
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yep. I was gonna say: Funny that you should mention that, Whooter, since these areas are precisely what many folks accuse them of destroying. Why is that?
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You may feel this way because many here on fornits are distant from their families. I have seen the process and the results and they work towards bringing families together. Some kids may choose to not work in this area and stay distant from their families. Programs will not work unless the child puts in some effort.
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Always the "fault" of the child, and never that of the program, eh? How facile can one get?
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Whooter has, in the past, repeatedly likened the behavior modification used in programs (i.e., thought reform) to the behavior modification used in toilet training. Although I can't really speak for him, it appears that Whooter does not believe that program BM (thought reform) is wrong, or inherently psychologically invasive, or potentially damaging in and of itself.
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I don’t think you could find many professionals at all which would say that Behavior Modification is damaging.
Toilet training is Behavior Modification. It can be abusive if you beat the kid or it can be gentile depending on how you choose to implement it. Learning to put clothes on before leaving the house is behavior modification. There is nothing inherently bad about this.
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There is actually quite a profound difference between learning to modify one's external behavior, and revamping one's internal psyche and self-identity. Especially when that latter process involves a "break them down, then build them back up" modus operandi that is imposed on one by others. I don't think you'll find many professionals who'd equate these two processes.
Shadyacres:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yep. I was gonna say: Funny that you should mention that, Whooter, since these areas are precisely what many folks accuse them of destroying. Why is that?
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You may feel this way because many here on fornits are distant from their families. I have seen the process and the results and they work towards bringing families together. Some kids may choose to not work in this area and stay distant from their families. Programs will not work unless the child puts in some effort.
I am very close with my family, with the exception of my mother, who locked me in a place that tried to murder me in such a way that my body would remain "alive". As soon as she acknowledges this, I will resume civil relations with her. Unfortunately she is still brainwashed and still convinced that denying me all human rights was the right thing to do because I was skipping school. She was never very maternal in the first place, and that program just turned her into another fascist program monster.
--- Quote ---Whooter has, in the past, repeatedly likened the behavior modification used in programs (i.e., thought reform) to the behavior modification used in toilet training. Although I can't really speak for him, it appears that Whooter does not believe that program BM (thought reform) is wrong, or inherently psychologically invasive, or potentially damaging in and of itself.
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I don’t think you could find many professionals at all which would say that Behavior Modification is damaging.
On the contrary, there are several books available on this forum by professionals who say exactly that. Furthermore, all of us with the exception of Whooter are uniquely educated on the subject, having experienced it firsthand. Who's stories are more believable? Survivors who have lived through these places, or a shill with obvious program affiliations?
Toilet training is Behavior Modification. It can be abusive if you beat the kid or it can be gentile depending on how you choose to implement it. Learning to put clothes on before leaving the house is behavior modification. There is nothing inherently bad about this.
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The kids in these programs are not three year olds, why do you insist on this comparison? What do you have against treating teenagers with respect and dignity? If you treat them like they are a piece of garbage, why should you be surprised when they act accordingly? Don't you think this degradation might be connected to the myriad reports of suicides of former residents or "students"?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "DKincaidCFS" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Whooter has, in the past, repeatedly likened the behavior modification used in programs (i.e., thought reform) to the behavior modification used in toilet training.
--- End quote ---
As someone who studies this professionally, I can assure you that these two types of "behavior modification" are vastly different. This analogy is obtuse at best.
Toilet training obvioulsy is not "behavior modification." It is exactly what its name implies: training. The child has no knowledge of toileting and is trained to use the potty. This is completely different from modifying the behavior of adults and subadults who already have certain views and understandings of the world and their place in it. They behave according to their own paradigms that they realized over a long time via experience.
Changing the ingrained behaviors of this set of people is a completely different ballgame than teaching a youngster to use the potty.
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You should go back and check your text books.
Behavior Modification is central to working with toddlers in changing their present behavior (diapers) to a new behavior (Toilet)
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Remember that behavior modification works best when there is positive reinforcement for behaviours you want and undesirable behaviours are ignored
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Toddler behavior modification therapy revolves around the practice of giving rewards for changes in behavior that are socially acceptable. Most parents who use the progress chart feel that it has greatly helped their toddler to calm down and become less irritable through the method of positive reinforcement. It must be advised, though, that a progress chart must be used only to indicate progress and not for negative reinforcement by pulling off stickers or other forms of punishment for unacceptable behavior.
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The sticker sets are an improved and portable toilet training aide and behavioral modification teaching and learning tool system.
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There are no fixed rules. However, the technique that works the best is behavior modification with a primary and secondary reward.
Behavior modification works and is a powerful training tool.
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Guest3:
Taylor Hurst was not sent there to help with "academic" issues. If he needed assistance with academic issues his parents would have just hired a tutor.
Taylor Hurst is a prime example of how HLA/Ridge Creek fails to help children placed in their care. End of story.
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