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DHS, Mount Bachelor Academy Settle Case
Anne Bonney:
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I define the article as the "whole piece" from beginning to end including the statements from DHS, the journalist, parents and Aspen. They were not just added on to the article they were part of it because Barry Lerten referenced the statements from Aspen, and DHS himself.
The whole article belongs to Barry Lerten, some of which are his own words, other parts of it were words from happy parents, still others were from Aspen and DHS. I dont see any of this as mis leading.
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Yes you do. You know full well what you're doing. You just won't ever admit to it.
Trying to pass off a press release by Aspen's CEO as being written by either the author of the article or DHS is intentionally misleading and intellectually dishonest.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
Yes you do. You know full well what you're doing. You just won't ever admit to it.
Trying to pass off a press release by Aspen's CEO as being written by either the author of the article or DHS is intentionally misleading and intellectually dishonest.
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lol, The article was about MBA and DHS and Aspen and the families it affected. They were all part of the article. The DHS had a press release and so did Aspen. The Journalist had her say as did some of the parents. The author pulled it all together.
Any part of the article can be quoted and used as reference, plus I provided a link so there was no attempt to be misleading.
I am beginning to think you want to leave out what Aspen said and keep the DHS press release as reference for the article.
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heretik:
So Whooter lets say your right here, congratulations. I can just see you now genuflecting in front of your computer to your almighty Aspen, saying "I got them this time, look at me I'm worthy" as Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group throws you your 30 bits to symbolize your significance.
Whooter once again we have to revert back back to your inability to recognize that children are being hurt here, MBA actually hurt children. They did not see fit to keep our children out of harms way. You know for a fact that "Lifesteps" being facilitated by inexperienced personal can only lead to complications which can have devastating psychological effects. You know this, we can all agree on this.
I am going to be a bit unprofessional here and go out on a line and say I bet there were some mothers and fathers on the investiagtion team from (DHS), we know there were. I'm sure some of their maternalistic/paternalistic emotions were involved. As a rational mother or father (while working for DHS) investigating apparent abuses of such outlandish behavior conducted because you are forced through peer pressure and with threats of retaliation by staff, you would be mortified. So thank god the initial reaction to suspend operations happened and the subsequent closure. Now we can all agree on this, right. DHS on a daily bases deals with abuses perpetrated on children, I think we all can agree they know how to do their job.
Now once the case gets handed over to the lawyers and they start to perform their ritual of two stepping, well all the smoke generated by this friction should not blind us to the reasons they were dancing in the first place. Children were abused, Whooter we can all agree on this.
As you say all the time to Anne and Ursus their are many programs out there they can not be all bad, well you may be right. This one (MBA) was. MBA wasn't selected out of a pool to be persecuted, they brought a investigation upon themselves. Professionals were sent out to perform their jobs, they did over a period of time and they put forth their results. What difference does it make what the lawyers worked out in a settlement. We all know that pales in comparison to the abuse kids are going through. Whooter you would really get this, if you gave a shit.
Samara, Anne, Ursus, DJ and others understand you more then you understand yourself. I don't believe in all good consciousness you are aware of the depth of pain children have endured while in these programs nor do I believe you want to. Picture this, our daughters at 14 being dressed up as whores made to sit on someones lap and gyrate all the while saying she is a no good slut. Have you got that pic in your head, I fucking almost break down every time I picture it or read it. Who the fuck do they think they are.
I told you before your sins you are committing here, you will have to answer for them at some point. Hopefully your God will show mercy.
You are not a person I could ever like, you do not make that possible.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---Yes you do. You know full well what you're doing. You just won't ever admit to it.
Trying to pass off a press release by Aspen's CEO as being written by either the author of the article or DHS is intentionally misleading and intellectually dishonest.
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lol, The article was about MBA and DHS and Aspen and the families it affected. They were all part of the article. The DHS had a press release and so did Aspen. The Journalist had her say as did some of the parents. The author pulled it all together.
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They are all part of the article package, as it was published on that particular occasion, and by KTVZ.com. Portions of that package, save the core article by Barney Lerten, may also be officially published elsewhere.
The statement by Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy, and published as part of that package, represents certain vested interests and a particular POV, which no one (save you, perhaps) would ever possibly attempt to pass off as an objective one.
Similar can be said for the statement by Erinn Kelley-Siel, Director of Children, Adults and Families at Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS), also published as part of that package, although in this case the vested interests lie not with the continued existence of Mount Bachelor Academy or its demise, but with the safety and welfare of its students which, by law and by the very type of governmental organization it is, DHS is beholden to prioritize.
And finally, yes, reporter Barney Lerten tries to pull it all together in the core article, presumably as objectively as possible, as that is part of what one does or is expected to do as a reporter.
These three parts, while all part of the same article package, are authored by three very different individuals or organizations with very different aims, vested interests and standards of objectivity. To try to pass any of these sections off as having been authored by another IS misrepresentation and fraudulent attribution.
Tell me, Whooter, when you see that Aspen press release on other websites, does it carry the byline of Barney Lerten? :D
--- Quote ---Any part of the article can be quoted and used as reference, plus I provided a link so there was no attempt to be misleading.
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Yes, of course any part of the article can be quoted and used as reference, but your deceptive means of quoting and presenting what you quoted WERE not only misleading but flat out dishonest. Your refusal to even acknowledge this, after several pages of this conversation, indicates to me that your deception may even have been deliberate.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---Yes you do. You know full well what you're doing. You just won't ever admit to it.
Trying to pass off a press release by Aspen's CEO as being written by either the author of the article or DHS is intentionally misleading and intellectually dishonest.
--- End quote ---
lol, The article was about MBA and DHS and Aspen and the families it affected. They were all part of the article. The DHS had a press release and so did Aspen. The Journalist had her say as did some of the parents. The author pulled it all together.
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They are all part of the article package, as it was published on that particular occasion, and by KTVZ.com.
But the statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy, represents certain vested interests and a particular POV, which no one (save you, perhaps) would ever possibly attempt to pass off as an objective one.
Similarly for the statement by Erinn Kelley-Siel, Director of Children, Adults and Families at Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS), although in this case the vested interests lie not with the continued existence of Mount Bachelor Academy or its demise, but with the safety and welfare of its students which, by law and by the very type of governmental organization it is, DHS is beholden to prioritize.
And finally, yes, reporter Barney Lerten tries to pull it all together, presumably as objectively as possible.
These three parts, while all part of the same article package, are authored by three very different individuals or organizations with very different aims, vested interests and standards of objectivity. To try to pass any of these sections off as having been authored by another IS misrepresentation and fraudulent attribution.
Tell me, Whooter, when you see that Aspen press release on Aspen's website, does it carry the byline of Barney Lerten? :D
--- Quote ---Any part of the article can be quoted and used as reference, plus I provided a link so there was no attempt to be misleading.
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Yes, of course any part of the article can be quoted and used as reference, but your deceptive means of quoting and presenting what you quoted WERE not only misleading but examples of fraudulent attribution.
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Ursus you have had a problem with me posting in this thread from the beginning. You didnt like the comment by the Journalist which was in the body of the article and it gave you heart burn for some unknown reason. Now you are trying to imply that I was quoting Barney Lerten as saying what Aspens statement was. I did no such thing.
When you stated:
--- Quote ---Similarly for the statement by Erinn Kelley-Siel, Director of Children, Adults and Families at Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS), although in this case the vested interests lie not with the continued existence of Mount Bachelor Academy or its demise, but with the safety and welfare of its students which, by law and by the very type of governmental organization it is, DHS is beholden to prioritize.
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You need to also consider that Erinn Kelley-Siel is trying to save her own job and her statement is damage control for jumping the gun and shutting down MBA. She has an agenda which is stronger than Aspens. She choose her words carefully to make it seem like she didnt screw up. She never said her shutting down of MBA was justified, only that the investigation was and Aspen agrees with her on this point.
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