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DHS, Mount Bachelor Academy Settle Case
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yes, but we weren't discussing what Barry Lerten said, now were we? We were discussing material that YOU claimed came from an article that Barry Lerten wrote, but which actually came from Aspen Ed's press release.
Tacking on some material from the article after the fact (chopped and out of context, as per usual) which really was written by Barry Lerten, and claiming it's the same thing, just won't cut it.
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Its all the same article, Ursus, the journalist comments, DHS's comments and Aspens comments. I really dont understand what problem you have with my posts. I have read then 3 or 4 times and my quotes come from Barry Lerten article.
--- Quote ---Here's the rest of Barry Lerten's sentence, which you somehow failed to include for context, emphasis added:
"Under the settlement, the state is withdrawing or modifying all of its orders and actions taken against the school, but says it still stands by its decision to investigate the facility, which had about 90 students and more than 75 staff as of early last year, with tuition of $6,400 a month."[/list]
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I addressed this earlier. Aspen agrees also that the information that DHS had warranted an investigation, no one is disputing this. DHS doesnt say it stands by it decision to shut the facility down though. DHS has reversed its position.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yes, but we weren't discussing what Barry Lerten said, now were we? We were discussing material that YOU claimed came from an article that Barry Lerten wrote, but which actually came from Aspen Ed's press release.
Tacking on some material from the article after the fact (chopped and out of context, as per usual) which really was written by Barry Lerten, and claiming it's the same thing, just won't cut it.
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Its all the same article, Ursus, the journalist comments, DHS's comments and Aspens comments. I really dont understand what problem you have with my posts. I have read then 3 or 4 times and my quotes come from Barry Lerten article.
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The problem is that you present a press release from Aspen's CEO as something that the author of the article has written, or imply that DHS said it. It's completely misleading and dishonest and you know it.
--- Quote ---I addressed this earlier. Aspen agrees also that the information that DHS had warranted an investigation, no one is disputing this. DHS doesnt say it stands by it decision to shut the facility down though. DHS has reversed its position.
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No, it didn't reverse it's position. It withdrew the action(s). There's a difference and you know that too.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
The problem is that you present a press release from Aspen's CEO as something that the author of the article has written, or imply that DHS said it. It's completely misleading and dishonest and you know it.
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But the press releases from DHS and Aspen are part of the article. If we quoted the journalist who had a child there or comments from the people he interviewed this would not be his words either. The author quoted these press releases himself.
I dont see it as misleading at all. I provided the link to support my thoughts.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Check the link I provided. I stand by what I posted, Ursus. All the quotes I provided were taken from the article.
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Your "standing by what you posted" apparently doesn't mean much. The material you quoted came from the Aspen Ed Statement accompanying the article. Here's that statement again; I've highlighted the portions that you claim came from the article itself:
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.[/list]
After having had that pointed out to you, you went back to the article, and picked out some sentence that Barney Lerten actually did write (even though he was just paraphrasing the Aspen Ed statement), chopped off all the parts that didn't fit with your agenda, and tried to pass it off as the same thing. Here is the paragraph from the article that you used, said portion highlighted:
"Under the settlement, the state is withdrawing or modifying all of its orders and actions taken against the school, but says it still stands by its decision to investigate the facility, which had about 90 students and more than 75 staff as of early last year, with tuition of $6,400 a month."[/list]
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I have read then 3 or 4 times and my quotes come from Barry Lerten article.
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They came from material which accompanied Barney Lerten's article, but they were not from the actual article itself. To be quite specific as to authorship: the material you originally quoted was not written by Barney Lerten.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Check the link I provided. I stand by what I posted, Ursus. All the quotes I provided were taken from the article.
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Your "standing by what you posted" apparently doesn't mean much. The material you quoted came from the Aspen Ed Statement accompanying the article. Here's that statement again; I've highlighted the portions that you claim came from the article itself:
A statement from Phil Herschman, President of Aspen Education Group, on behalf of Mount Bachelor Academy:
We are pleased that the ongoing legal dispute between Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) and the State of Oregon Department of Human Services (DHS) has finally been satisfactorily resolved. The DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA and MBA’s former director. The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
As we have repeatedly stated throughout this process, our fundamental disagreements with the DHS' original allegations and consequent actions were strong and deep. We had collected abundant evidence that disproved those allegations, particularly the most egregious ones.
Despite the tragic circumstances of Mount Bachelor’s closure, we hope to open a new, even more successful school on the MBA campus in the future, and wish to publicly thank our skilled and dedicated employees who touched the lives of thousands of troubled teens for more than two decades at MBA, and the loyal alumni and families who steadfastly supported us.[/list]
After having had that pointed out to you, you went back to the article, and picked out some sentence that Barry Lerten actually did write (even though he was just paraphrasing the Aspen Ed statement), chopped off all the parts that didn't fit with your agenda, and tried to pass it off as the same thing. Here is the paragraph from the article that you used, said portion highlighted:
"Under the settlement, the state is withdrawing or modifying all of its orders and actions taken against the school, but says it still stands by its decision to investigate the facility, which had about 90 students and more than 75 staff as of early last year, with tuition of $6,400 a month."[/list]
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I have read then 3 or 4 times and my quotes come from Barry Lerten article.
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They came from material which accompanied Barry Lerten's article, but they were not from the actual article itself. To be quite specific as to authorship: the material you quoted was not written by Barry Lerten.
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I define the article as the "whole piece" from beginning to end including the statements from DHS, the journalist, parents and Aspen. They were not just added on to the article they were part of it because Barry Lerten referenced the statements from Aspen, and DHS himself.
The whole article belongs to Barry Lerten, some of which are his own words, other parts of it were words from happy parents, still others were from Aspen and DHS. I dont see any of this as mis leading.
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