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DHS, Mount Bachelor Academy Settle Case
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Even Aspen agrees with the decision to investigate MBA. Based on the initial evidence DHS felt they had no choice but to close the facility down temporarily. But after after they reviewed all the evidence they found out that they were wrong and jumped the gun.
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Nowhere did they say anything even close to that.
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Well actually they did.
Barney Lerten stated himself: "Under the settlement, the state is withdrawing or modifying all of its orders and actions taken against the school,"
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And that says nothing about jumping the gun or that they were wrong. We know nothing of the settlement. It could be that they withdrew the action(s) because the school shuttered it's doors and have agreed to not use any of the methods that were found to be abusive.
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lol, It could be that the state couldnt substantiate any findings of abuse. Read the whole article, the journalist who had a child in MBA, Aspens take on it and the DHS's take on it.
DHS backed off, plain and simple. Again I dont expect you to accept this anymore than you would a positive study on the industry!! lol I am just putting out the facts for the readers to review. Everyone gets to decide for themselves which is the beauty of the internet and open information.
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Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I'm not too concerned over whether Barry Lerten is "aware" or not of whatever it is you seem to think he was.
What I find troublesome is your quoting Aspen press release material and claiming or insinuating that it is from an article written by a bona fide reporter who has certain standards of veracity in what he has authorship of.
When you claim, "The article goes further to say...," you are averring that what preceded your words as well as what comes after them ... is from the article. In both cases, that simply isn't true.
Since I tend to view the veracity of Aspen press releases as being somewhat less believable than assurances that the moon is made of green cheese, I find your false claims quite telling.
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Barney Lerten stated himself: "Under the settlement, the state is withdrawing or modifying all of its orders and actions taken against the school,"
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But THAT was not what you quoted in the post under discussion. Curious that you omitted that part of our banter, eh? Well... here's your post again, to refresh everyone's memory. READ CAREFULLY, Whooter's being sneaky again:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---What I like to do is get back to the latest information at hand. A lot of things were said by DHS that they regret. Here is the latest article on MBA and a statement:
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"DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA"
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BECAUSE THEY CLOSED.
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The article goes further to say:
The DHS’ withdrawal of its order suspending MBA’s license supports our position that they did not have justification for that order in the first place. The DHS has acknowledged with this settlement that in fact there was additional evidence no abuse had occurred.
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Check the link I provided. I stand by what I posted, Ursus. All the quotes I provided were taken from the article.
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Anne Bonney:
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lol, It could be that the state couldnt substantiate any findings of abuse.
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It could be because of a number of things, so quit stating unequivocally that they "jumped the gun and found nothing wrong".
--- Quote ---DHS backed off, plain and simple.
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BECAUSE THE SCHOOL CLOSED IT'S DOORS AFTER ALL THE ABUSES WERE BROUGHT TO LIGHT
--- Quote ---Again I dont expect you to accept this anymore than you would a positive study on the industry!!
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As soon as you find one I'll be happy to at least read it.
--- Quote --- lol I am just putting out the facts for the readers to review.
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Now that one IS funny. You putting "facts" out there. :roflmao:
--- Quote --- Everyone gets to decide for themselves which is the beauty of the internet and open information.
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Except yours isn't "open".....it's an agenda that you twist everything to fit.
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I'm not too concerned over whether Barney Lerten is "aware" or not of whatever it is you seem to think he was.
What I find troublesome is your quoting Aspen press release material and claiming or insinuating that it is from an article written by a bona fide reporter who has certain standards of veracity in what he has authorship of.
When you claim, "The article goes further to say...," you are averring that what preceded your words as well as what comes after them ... is from the article. In both cases, that simply isn't true.
Since I tend to view the veracity of Aspen press releases as being somewhat less believable than assurances that the moon is made of green cheese, I find your false claims quite telling.
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Barney Lerten stated himself: "Under the settlement, the state is withdrawing or modifying all of its orders and actions taken against the school,"
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Yes, but we weren't discussing what Barney Lerten said, now were we? We were discussing material that YOU claimed came from an article that Barney Lerten wrote, but which actually came from Aspen Ed's press release.
Tacking on some material from the article after the fact (chopped and out of context, as per usual) which really was written by Barney Lerten, and claiming it's the same thing, just won't cut it.
Here's the rest of Barney Lerten's sentence, which you somehow failed to include for context, emphasis added:
"Under the settlement, the state is withdrawing or modifying all of its orders and actions taken against the school, but says it still stands by its decision to investigate the facility, which had about 90 students and more than 75 staff as of early last year, with tuition of $6,400 a month."[/list]
Whooter:
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Except yours isn't "open".....it's an agenda that you twist everything to fit.
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Its perspective, Anne, I dont see your information as being open either. You have an agenda of painting the industry as harshly as you can and you close your eyes to anything that may shake your beliefs.
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