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Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
DannyB II:
Danny wrote:
DJ, stop acting like you are disconnected from this, you were part of this system that as you say, "committed these crimes". Yet we never hear about you in this anywhere. Ya know when Joel and Che speak they usually share their experiences as staff, not you.
DJ, you were staff and you were educated, so stop overcompensating here with this I'm all for Bla Bla Bla. It comes across phony.
Your buddy Paul thinks he has a hot case here, well, I will found out once and for all who is Danny and Whooter. I'll expose them if it is the last thing I do. Problem is, what is there to expose.
My purpose here is, to have balanced conversation.
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Danny, how many of the "several people who post here under [your] user name" actually went to Elan or have any clue about this industry to begin with?
"Balanced conversation?" Lol. More like mayhem for the hell of it, eh?
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Danny wrote:
Well Mr.Ursus we all have been to a Treatment Center but as "Suck It" has shown us it is not that important to reveal the centers. No we are not here for "mayhem" or "for hell of it".
We are gradually moving away from our attack mode and moving into a congenial behavior.
You have to admit, upon first getting here 8-9 months ago we had it pretty rough here from folks. We are just now starting to get our feet under us and truly beginning to grasp a concept of what we want to do here.
Our objective is to communicate with everyone in a respectful manner, (at least try, we will not be Inculcated) and have a aura of openness not to be taken spiritually, only.
We are done fighting, it is stupid and accomplishes nothing. Our goals will never be met if we continue to go down the road we were going. Does this mean we are perfect, no, there are many who will not want to stop fighting with us but we have to be strong and show that we are serious. Play time is over, time to get down to business.
What is our business, honestly it is simple. To post our experiences and opinions truthfully. Simple, right. Well, it should be but that is not always the case.
Ursus try to not condescend to much and think your carrying the "mantle" here. As it states on the front of the Web Site here, "An open discussion about the troubled parent industry". I did not see where the founders wrote a "members only" clause in here. Though I do believe there are many here who believe there are "unwritten rules" here as far as posting goes, just my opinion.
Enough said about that.
I accept the conditions here, hey, I voted for O'bama in Georgia, in Woodstock Ga.(just outside of Kennesaw) 100% Republican and 98% white, so I know a little about going against the tide.
So as I have been saying, lets y'all move on, let bygones be bygones (or not) but in either case we will try very hard to show a respect for our fellows we had been lacking somewhat previous.
Don't know exactly how this plays out but were going to give it a shot. Guys and gals of fornits go easy on us folks also.
Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---OK, so what we have so far is that the Behrens study concluded that abusing children is effective in biasing them to self-report improvement in order to be allowed to leave the program.
Programs Included in Behrens' Work:
ASR - cited for child abuse by the state of MA
MBA - forcibly closed for "systematic child abuse and neglect" by the state of OR
Youth Care - killed a boy through neglect and was cited by state authorities
Anyone have further info on the other programs behrens concluded were "effective"?
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Let's stick to the topic, folks. We're talking abusive Aspen facilities and their inclusion in the Behrens work.
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Back to the topic, people.
Troll Control:
Not only have these programs abused and even killed children, the Behrens study shows a "success rate" of less than forty percent of the rate of traditional treatment:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Let's have a look at Behrens' numbers from her report:
--- Quote from: "Behrens Study" ---31% reported improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation cut-off for reliable change (>28 raw score points) and 50% reported improvement below the cut-off for reliable change.
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So, after up to two years of being at Aspen programs, the reliable change data rate for participants is a mere 31% compared to 60-80% for traditional inpatient treatment. And this is self-report data that Behrens admits is biased to make the kids look better than they actually are to justify their being discharged. Unbiased data would show a much lower number.
No wonder Whooter doesn't want to talk about Behrens! He only wants to talk about the other researchers who studied traditional treatment and try to conflate the two.
Aspen - up to 2 years and up to $175K for a 31% positive change self-report with no follow up to assess permanency of change
Traditional - up to 90 days, covered by insurance, 60-80% improvement in longitudinal clinical trials
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---A gunman allegedly shot dead three people after a drunken argument in the queue at a McDonald's all-night drive-through in Finland turned deadly, police say.
Why does McDonalds conduct studies on their food and not revel the fact that people are dying at their restaurants? Why wasnt this picked up? Wasnt death part of their study? Who oversaw all these studies? If this study was peer reviewed by Burger King then it would never have been released!!
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--- Quote ---Charges Filed in Death of Brendan Blum
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Caretakers at Draper youth care center charged with child abuse in death of 14-year-old
By Jason Bergreen
The Salt Lake Tribune Article
Last Updated: 10/11/2007 05:22:00 PM MDT
Two caretakers at a Draper assisted-living facility were charged Thursday with failing to provide medical aid to a 14-year-old resident who died under their supervision in June. Jorge Ramirez and Deborah Cole were both on duty at Youth Care Inc. on June 27 when 14-year-old Brendan Blum of Santa Barbara, Calif., died.
An autopsy concluded that Blum died from an inadequate blood supply to his small bowel, according to a criminal complaint filed in 3rd District Court. On the night of his death, Blum had a loss of bowel control, vomited and complained of stomach pain, but Ramirez and Cole did not provide or seek medical help for him, the complaint states.
Blum was found dead on the morning of June 28. A state medical examiner concluded that Blum's death could have been prevented if he had been given medical attention.
"Secure treatment facilities are responsible for providing appropriate medical treatment and care for the children entrusted to their supervision," Salt Lake County District Attorney Lohra Miller said in a news release. "In this case, it is alleged that a young boy's need for emergency medical treatment was ignored and that this negligence resulted in the boy's death." Miller also said that state law requires that treatment facilities and their employees be held to a "heightened standard of care."
Blum was at the facility because he had Asperger's Syndrome, a disorder related to autism.
Cole and Ramirez are each charged with one third-degree felony count of abuse or neglect of a child. The crime is punishable by up to five years in jail.
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--> LINK for the above two articles.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Classic. I never thought people would be this upset over a study being done of the industry. I thought you guys would try to down play it, but WOW!! this has really rocked your boat.
all that "Show me a study"!!! lol
ooops, now what do I do? Hmmmm... maybe try to discredit the study? Only thing left to do.
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Actually, we've always asked for longitudinal, clinical, peer reviewed studies. At least that's what I've always been asking for and not one program supporter has ever been able to deliver on it. You just keep throwing up Aspen's exit surveys and try and pass them off as something substantial. They're not. They're a marketing ploy. But you already knew that.
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