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Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote ---DJ, stop acting like you are disconnected from this, you were part of this system that as you say, "committed these crimes". Yet we never hear about you in this anywhere. Ya know when Joel and Che speak they usually share their experiences as staff, not you.
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Nor do you. We keep asking about the girl that you supposedly dragged around behind a van as a therapeutic tool, but you never do answer.
--- Quote ---Your buddy Paul thinks he has a hot case here, well, I will found out once and for all who is Danny and Whooter. I'll expose them if it is the last thing I do.
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:beat: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
--- Quote ---My purpose here is, to have balanced conversation.
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Classic. I never thought people would be this upset over a study being done of the industry. I thought you guys would try to down play it, but WOW!! this has really rocked your boat.
all that "Show me a study"!!! lol
ooops, now what do I do? Hmmmm... maybe try to discredit the study? Only thing left to do.
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Actually, we've always asked for longitudinal, clinical, peer reviewed studies. At least that's what I've always been asking for and not one program supporter has ever been able to deliver on it. You just keep throwing up Aspen's exit surveys and try and pass them off as something substantial. They're not. They're a marketing ploy. But you already knew that.
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Anne, Whooter no longer even mentions the Behrens study now that he can't deny their whopping 31% success rate versus 60-80% at non-Aspen facilities. He has dropped his claims after a couple weeks of lying about what's in the study.
Now he only cites Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991 who studied non-Aspen facilities. He shitcanned Behrens after holding her out as a modern-day messiah for the last four years. Even he abondoned Aspen's FUBARed "study" marketing program.
Troll Control:
This thread is now the #1 Google return if you enter "Behrens study" in the engine.
Thanks to Whooter's obsessive/compulsive replying, now anyone searching for Behrens gets the first hit on "Programs in Behrens Study Charged with Abuse." Somehow I don't think this POV was the one he intended to present. :notworthy: :nods: :cheers: :roflmao:
But it's good news anyway.
Paul St. John:
--- Quote --- did not see where the founders wrote a "members only" clause in here. Though I do believe there are many here who believe there are "unwritten rules" here as far as posting goes, just my opinion. Enough said about that. I accept the conditions here, hey, I voted for O'bama in Georgia, in Woodstock Ga.(just outside of Kennesaw) 100% Republican and 98% white, so I know a little about going against the tide.
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No shit... Most of my family lives in Woodstock, GA. Maybe it's a coincidence, that you chose to write that, but probably not. You have been frequenting my facebook page, so you would know that.
You have tried friending me in the past couple of days, and even sent me a message offering to take me and my friends out on your friend's boat, fishing. And you thought it would be a great opportunity for me to meet your son. I never responded, because I knew that you were just trying to buy my support on Fornits.
In regards to the Woodstock reference, I'm not gonna say anything Danny. If you know anything about me, you already know.
Paul St. John
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---We all know about Mount Bachelor Academy's recent closure due to child abuse and neglect and that Aspen Education has claimed in court that it provides no therapy.
MBA was one of the programs that was studied in Behrens' work. The fact that MBA was closed for abusing children and that Behrens concluded MBA was "effective" despite offering no therapy and abusing hundreds of children is terribly troubling to say the least.
Here's a list of the all of the programs she looked at:
Academy at Swift River, Aspen Ranch, Copper Canyon Academy, Mount Bachelor Academy, Stone Mountain School, Pine Ridge Academy, SunHawk Academy,Turnabout Ranch, and Youth Care, Inc.
Academy at Swift River has been cited by state authorities for child abuse.
How many of the others have been as well? Are there any untainted entities in this study?
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Here's a sworn statement from a Copper Canyon staff member:
--- Quote ---* Many of the staff members were very rude to the girls. They seemed to think the girls were the "enemy" and that you must treat them with hostility in order to make them obedient. They saw how I spoke to the girls respectfully, and I know this was not okay with them. They treated me badly as a result, worse than I have ever been treated at any job.
* Girls were expected to learn all the rules within 3 days, and after that point they were responsible (and could be given "work hours" etc. if they broke rules). But there were so many rules, and not all of them were listed in the book. I brought this up to some of the staff (including supervisors), and they said the girls should be able to learn the rules from word of mouth. But I couldn't even learn all the rules! And I had trouble enforcing them when I didn't know them because they weren't all written down. The staff members seemed to think I should just somehow know them. But my opinion is that in a system like theirs (in any authoritarian kind of system), they like to keep the rules somewhat a mystery so that people will break them. The people who run these kinds of systems want to punish others!
* Girls were occasionally put on silence, meaning no speaking except for things like "I need to use the bathroom". Sometimes the silencing lasted for several days.
* I heard at least one staff member make fun of a lesbian girl about her sexuality.
* I read in the handbook that girls could be sent to the school for problems such as depression, drug addiction, difficulty in school, and quite an assortment of other things. We staff members were never told what problems each girl had when she arrived (unless other staff members knew, but nobody ever told me). So one day I asked a staff supervisor about one particular girl. I wasn't sure if anyone was willing to tell me anything or not, but I figured it was worth a try. But the staff supervisor seemed very angry at my question, and went off for a while about how all the girls deserved to be there. She spoke of it as if this boarding school was a punishment for naughty behavior. So I wondered, does this woman think that suffering with depression deserves punishment? Did she realize that some girls were there simply because they were depressed? Of course, I don't think any of the girls deserved what they got in that place, no matter what they had done in order to end up there.
* A girl who attempted to run away was made to sleep on a mattress on the bathroom floor for a few days. She was also dropped to a negative level, which meant she could have only one shirt, one pair of pants, one bra, one pair of socks, and one pair of underwear. The poor girl was on her period at the time, which must have made it even more uncomfortable, and I remember wondering if they would give her new clothes if she happened to bleed through them. I figured they wouldn't, and I already knew at that point that they didn't appreciate questions or suggestions from me.
* One day when all the girls were running the track (as a punishment for being too noisy at a mealtime), one of the girls asked me if I could go and get her inhaler (she obviously needed it). I said yes, of course, and went to go get it. Then the staff supervisor stepped in to tell me not to give her inhaler to her (she was quite rude to me, too, I might add). So I asked her at what point we should give a girl her inhaler, and the woman replied something like "when she's huffing and puffing and her lips are turning blue". She said it with such malice, too.
* The girls all had to read "Ten Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives", by Dr. Laura Schlessinger, and write a report on it. I wanted to give the girls another viewpoint, so I brought in an article critiquing Dr. Laura. The staff supervisors found out about this, and they brought me into the office to tell me I was not permitted to do such a thing. It was obvious that they didn't want the girls to be exposed to viewpoints other than those held by the school. No, they wanted them to swallow whatever they taught them, no questions asked, no independent thinking whatsoever!
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Sounds like an abusive quack factory to me. Every time we look into these programs in the Behrens study, we find this type problem.
Are there any at all that haven't been exposed for abuse? What the hell was Behrens thinking when she studied these programs? No wonder she doesn't talk about progrram methodology in her report.
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