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Group Therapy increasing Drug Risk?????/
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I stated there were independent studies performed which support that programs are 80% effective.
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This is an awfully big statement. "Programs are 80% effective" implies that all programs are 80% effective. You'd have to cite some research to support this type of claim. I don't believe this is true and I think you're trying to mislead people.
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Further down in my post I stated:
I would also be careful to conclude from this that all programs are 80% effective because each program incorporates a different model and programs can vary greatly. So you need to read which programs were included in the study.
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Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---There are independent studies which support that programs are 80% effective when they are away from families for long periods of time 14 to 16 months.
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No, there aren't. There has never been a longitudinal clinical study of any "parent choice" program. We both know that.
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No I didnt say : "longitudinal clinical study of any "Parent Choice" program". They may exist but I have not read any as of this date.
I stated there were independent studies performed which support that programs are 80% effective...
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Industry-financed studies are pretty suspect as to their credibility, particularly when there are no peer reviewed articles supporting same findings appearing in academic research journals.
If Aspen's studies were so great, how come no journal would publish them? Aspen publicizes them, however, on pretty much every one of their programs' websites. They must think that parents can be convinced that "publish" and "publicize" are synonymous! :D
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I would also be careful to conclude from this that all programs are 80% effective because each program incorporates a different model and programs can vary greatly. So you need to read which programs were included in the study.
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Riiiiigght. And that would be Aspen Ed programs, amicorrect? Whose aggressive marketing tactics even gives some EdCons due pause and concern...
Froderik:
Man, fuck all this shit....what a tiresome debate....where do y'all get the goddam ENERGY????
Whooter:
The programs have had no problems in the past allowing people inside to study their process and report their findings. I am sure if someone stepped forward and offered to finance the study they would be more than happy to!
But if a study needs to be done and no one will finance it then you need to finance it yourself.
The study was overseen by a third party to insure no conflict of interest was occurring.
I do understand that studies which show programs in a good light will not be accepted here on fornits. I am not trying to make believers out of you, But I think it is important to continue to allow the readers to see all sides of the argument so that they can get as much information as possible.
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DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Froderik" ---Did a lot of drugs before the 'gram, and even more after the 'gram...
TRUE.
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:roflmao: I love this place...... Frodie
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