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Group Therapy increasing Drug Risk?????/
Paul St. John:
Whooter, I don't think that anyone who reads the article would miss your point, but to illustrate it more clearly, the article states that those with worse problems- drug addiction, etc. often do benefit from the group therapy, but it is done at the expense of those with lesser problems.
The people with not as bad problems, rub off on those with the larger issues, and the people with the larger issues, rub off on those who don't have that large of issues to begin with...
The picture I get in my head here, is that there is no net loss of bad stuff, but rather it is just redistributed.
In the facility that I went to, there was one heroine addict, one crackhead, about half a dozen coke users, one guy who only smoked pot once, but failed the drug test, his dad had been giving him since he enterred high school, and then there was the majority, pot smokers, who drank on weekends, and had experimented with psychedelics here and there, and then there were also, really young people who I never thought belonged there at all. These were just people who smoked pot occasionally.
They always said in Daytop, that you don t start your real drug career, until after you leave Daytop, the first time.
I am embarressed to admit this, but in my last week at Daytop, I cut myself. I had listened to people talking about cutting themselves in group for so long. They romanticized the shit out of it. I though that it was stupid as hell. I remember thinking that they only did it for attention at first. The more I listenned, it was clearly an addiction. It was something vey personal that they had for themselves, that Daytop could not take from them. Hell, Daytop expected that type of shit.
I just remembered this last night. I tried it. I cut myself. This one girl made it sound so fucking seductive, and I did it one day, without knowing what was motivating me to do it. I know that I was feeling terrible at the time, but I don t think that it is anything that I would have ever done in my life, if I had not been going to these stupid groups.
Paul St. John
PS It is also noteoworthy, that I heard time and time again, that people had come in with very minor drug problems, then developed very strong ones when they left, and came back "ready for treatment"
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---There are independent studies which support that programs are 80% effective when they are away from families for long periods of time 14 to 16 months.
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No, there aren't. There has never been a longitudinal clinical study of any "parent choice" program. We both know that.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---There are independent studies which support that programs are 80% effective when they are away from families for long periods of time 14 to 16 months.
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No, there aren't. There has never been a longitudinal clinical study of any "parent choice" program. We both know that.
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No I didnt say : "longitudinal clinical study of any "Parent Choice" program". They may exist but I have not read any as of this date.
I stated there were independent studies performed which support that programs are 80% effective...
I would also be careful to conclude from this that all programs are 80% effective because each program incorporates a different model and programs can vary greatly. So you need to read which programs were included in the study.
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Froderik:
Did a lot of drugs before the 'gram, and even more after the 'gram...
TRUE.
/thread
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I stated there were independent studies performed which support that programs are 80% effective.
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This is an awfully big statement. "Programs are 80% effective" implies that all programs are 80% effective. You'd have to cite some research to support this type of claim. I don't believe this is true and I think you're trying to mislead people.
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