Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Elan School
ELAN school staff are well trained
Paul St. John:
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And Quit NAMECALLING other posters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or take your :shamrock: etc. to the drama box
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Inculcate we have been here before, mind your own business. OK. Don't read it.
Danny
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I would have to agree with you, Danny..
...except that she is the moderator of this section of Fornits.. I can think of few others where you would not be banned, for this kinda shit.
As matter of a fact, I also saw that you told Ginger to mind her own business.( this is one of the things that I did not like) This is her site. I don't know where you think you get off. Most site owners would not even tolerate that shit.
Well, perceptions are perceptions.. I admit, but it really does seem, like you think you have athority over these people.
DannyB II:
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--- Quote ---Me:Innocent teenagers were terrorized and border-line tortured without purpose or reason.
You:Stop with all the drama this is where you start to smell of disingenuous.
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--- Quote ---I think this is where you and me differ. I don't think I am being dramatic- not even a little. I am stating facts. What I wrote above is true.
I mean the actual experience that people went through, was dramatic, and yes, absolutely, definitely, also, traumatic. If a realistic movie were to be made about it, I think it would be classified as a drama, and possibly even horror. ( and I don't think that I am exxagerating there.If you do, perhaps, you should remind yourself)
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You told me you never went to Elan yet your interrogating like you went there, Ok I accepted that. Then you started the name calling with the "dick' comment (and your little Miss Muffin Inculcate came to your defense), I came back with my comments.
--- Quote ---Okay, now what I wrote there is very clear. If you think I am wrong, you can tell me why, but if you have to come back, with something witty, or funny, or evasive, then you are really not worth talking to.
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Nothing to come back with, you said it very well.
--- Quote ---Me: It was done as sport, and if you were there, you know that.
You: No I do not know that and (you absolutely don't know). You have no idea of what your talking of, this conversation
is starting to smell like you "shitty boy".
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--- Quote ---I do know it, Danny. I know that it was done as sport. I am certain of it.
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Well look who has been mysterious, what TC/program were you with or where is your experience coming from. Time to pony up my boy, name, rank and serial #.
--- Quote ---Well, that s about it for me.. As is often the case, I am not even sure how I got into this conversation. I can argue with you 'til I am blue in the face, but even if I win, what have I won? particularly when this has become little more then a childish battle of the wits, and we keep moving forward into new territory, without even finishing what we were originally talking about.
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I would hope that you take some responsibility for that, now lets get down to business.
--- Quote ---You think that my feelings were coming out of me.. There we go with the perception thing again. (no pun intended) Actually I was very complacent, when responding to you.. and it actually required effort to respond the way I did. I really don't care if you think I am a shitty boy.. or if you tell me that I smell..
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That was nothing more then a antagonistic ploy on my part because I felt you were messing around. You never explained anything about yourself yet you wanted answers from me. Who are you????? Introduction would have been nice.
--- Quote ---and honestly, I am not even sure what think of ya. I know that you are a bit of a bullshit artist, but most people are, particularly in certain circumstances, so what business is that of mine, really?
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Don't analyze me please I have a friend that does that, No John I don't bullshit at all (there goes your perception again).
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Thank You
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--- Quote ---All, I know is that you rubbed me the wrong way, personally, but that happens in life
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As soon as you can stop being self-centered maybe you can see how this whole relationship started, you came barging into my life here with all kinds of questions and accusations without even a "HI", That rubs me the wrong way.
--- Quote ---I learned about Elan inadvertantly.. It became something that concerned me, inadverently. In the end, all I really want.. All I really care about, is that the truth come out in full color, and that the place no longer exist. I want society, to fully take the side of the victims.
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Well stop inadvertently stepping all over people from Elan you don't like. Just because I was a staff member doesn't mean I was a counselor, I was far from that. I started being staff at 17yrs old and finished at 19yrs old. That should give you a picture of my career as staff. I am 51 now.
--- Quote ---That's my hope.. To what extent, I want to have anything to do with that coming about, I am not sure. All I know is, I always find myself coming back to this forum, just like out of nowhere.
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Well lets start over and continue this conversation on a more adventurous/educational script. I do need to talk about my experiences with Elan but I have not found anyone here that will talk responsibly. So lets do it.
--- Quote ---I also know, that I do, in fact, like the idea of battling and exposing a counselor.
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Now that will get the door shut in your face quickly, I don't mind being exposed have been now for 9 mons. here. If you want to talk all I ask is be responsible and respectful this is a very vulnerable conversation. Can you handle it because I am only offering it to you and you only.
Paul St. John
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Danny
DannyB II:
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--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---I don’t know if this discussion is going anywhere … other than the same coy little bread crumb chase from thread to thread that’s gone on for months. For now, you guys all seem to enjoy having it so..fare thee well.
The smilies and tangled misuse of the quote feature make most of the exchanges barely legible. I’m bothered that I bothered to squint my way through it only to find little more than more of the same.
No matter how much resizing and highlighting is used it doesn’t make the ^ content informative.
And Quit NAMECALLING other posters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or take your :shamrock: etc. to the drama box
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Inculcate we have been here before, mind your own business. OK. Don't read it.
Danny
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--- Quote ---I would have to agree with you, Danny..
...except that she is the moderator of this section of Fornits.. I can think of few others where you would not be banned, for this kinda shit.
As matter of a fact, I also saw that you told Ginger to mind her own business.( this is one of the things that I did not like) This is her site. I don't know where you think you get off. Most site owners would not even tolerate that shit.
Well, perceptions are perceptions.. I admit, but it really does seem, like you think you have athority over these people.
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No she is not, she is filling in. Because nobody else (from Elan) would step up and fornits just had to have a forum called Elan. The only time Inculcate says or does anything concerning Elan is when she doesn't like what I am doing or saying. She is so obvious with her prejudice.
As far as Ginger or anyone else is concerned I will rebut in my way. To your thought of me having authority na, just speak my mind with authority. I don't have any power here unless it is given and that I am sure will never happen...lol.
Danny
Paul St. John:
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--- Quote ---Well look who has been mysterious, what TC/program were you with or where is your experience coming from. Time to pony up my boy, name, rank and serial #.
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I figured you would run away John St. Paul. No balls...No Glory my friend.
Oh.. ya figured huh? My life requires that I spend the majority of my time away from my computer screen.
.. like most people's
This is what I deal with on a continuances bases, folks confront me for no apparent reason then disappear.
Well, either the wolrd is out to get ya, or it is something that you are doing.
Well toodles.
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I'm not feeling very well, Danny. I have a fever, and I am tired.. Perhaps, we could pick this up another time. I am not even sure what much I have to contribute, but perhaps after some sleep.
As you pointed out, I barged into your life.. Perhaps, that was a knee-jerk reaction.. I had read a few of your posts, and more and more began to dislike you..
But I honestly don t know what to make of you, and I don t care. I still say that you are smug..lol.. I don t care what you say ... That is my opinion.
I'm not too sure about much else, and I really don t care. I use to speak to a girl who attended Elan.. She is probably right around your age.. She too, became staff for a very short time, while very young, and I know that she is a good person, so I cannot condemn you on that basis.. I also can t argue the merits of Elan with you, because you don t defend it.. You seem to be on the same page as everyone here, in regards that it sucks..
And, though I know her and like her, Inculcated is clearly biased.. She does not like you.. What I don t know is whether or not it is justified, but I also don t feel like finding out right now.. so perhaps another
I think you said you will deal with Ginger as you see fit ( I know it wasn t that exactly, but it was something to that effect..
Well, I also do want I want to do.
I consider her a friend, not to mentuion that she makes it possible for you, me, and everybody else to post here, and I think you should show her a little more respect in her own property. Yes, you can do what you want.. if she is going to allow it,
but so can I!
Umm.. Before, I go.. real quick ( lol.. this eats up so much time) I just address the mystery man- thing.. I went to Daytop.. I witnessed these people on a daily basis. I have read here and elsewhere, post after post about Elan, and I have spoken with one woman on the phone, who immersed me in years of torturous details.
I understand these people.. I understand how they work. They enjoy it.. It is done for sport. There was no ring at Daytop. It was not violent at all, but I have seen things like, they ll have a guy stand up with insecurity- issues, and the attractive girls there would scream at him how repulsive he is, and things of that sort..
and of the course, the person would cry.. The particular person, taht i am talking about has never been the same again, from that day in his life.. and no it's not me.. but he's been living in self-made delusions ever since.
But what I mostly remember was how much the staff enjoyed it.. They should have stopped it, but they liked it, because they feed on unhappiness, and pain, and misery..
They temporarily inflate their hollow egos, by crushing others, in the name of a cause.
I ve heard the stories, and I know that the Elan counselors are of the same breed as the Daytop counselors.. Except they are a lot worse. I know these people.. I looked into them.. I know what I saw.. they could not trick me.. and they knew it.
Paul
Danny
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DannyB II:
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--- Quote ---Well look who has been mysterious, what TC/program were you with or where is your experience coming from. Time to pony up my boy, name, rank and serial #.
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I figured you would run away John St. Paul. No balls...No Glory my friend.
--- Quote ---Oh.. ya figured huh? My life requires that I spend the majority of my time away from my computer screen.
.. like most people's
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This is true I really do understand this.
This is what I deal with on a continuances bases, folks confront me for no apparent reason then disappear.
--- Quote ---Well, either the wolrd is out to get ya, or it is something that you are doing.
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Now honestly there is a good point, I do bring some of the flac my way.
Well toodles.
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--- Quote ---I'm not feeling very well, Danny. I have a fever, and I am tired.. Perhaps, we could pick this up another time. I am not even sure what much I have to contribute, but perhaps after some sleep.
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Sorry to hear this.
--- Quote ---As you pointed out, I barged into your life.. Perhaps, that was a knee-jerk reaction.. I had read a few of your posts, and more and more began to dislike you.
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Why are you disliking me you don't even know me nor know my history on fornits. What you call smug I wish to call defensive mechanism, keeping undesirables at bay.
--- Quote ---But I honestly don t know what to make of you, and I don t care. I still say that you are smug..lol.. I don t care what you say ... That is my opinion.
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You don't care, now that is not nice, smug maybe a little. You have good opinions.
--- Quote ---I'm not too sure about much else, and I really don t care. I use to speak to a girl who attended Elan.. She is probably right around your age.. She too, became staff for a very short time, while very young, and I know that she is a good person, so I cannot condemn you on that basis.. I also can t argue the merits of Elan with you, because you don t defend it.. You seem to be on the same page as everyone here, in regards that it sucks..
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Ask the woman if she knows me Daniel L. Bennison.....it would help here. Elan was a nightmare for everyone concerned here. I am not proud at all of my affiliations with Elan. I can't change what happened.
--- Quote ---And, though I know her and like her, Inculcated is clearly biased.. She does not like you.. What I don t know is whether or not it is justified, but I also don t feel like finding out right now.. so perhaps another
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Oh I would think some of it is justified and some is not but at this point she just needs to get over it. She just carries it on and on. I am going to be who I am maybe you like maybe you don't but to continue to beat me over the head about it is not going to work.
--- Quote ---I think you said you will deal with Ginger as you see fit ( I know it wasn t that exactly, but it was something to that effect..
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I happen to have a lot of respect for Ginger, I get carried away but I try real hard not to push the envelope to far. Not because of banning but because it is wrong. I am new to this verbal debate arena so I am still learning. But I also have respect for Psy, Ursus , whooter, Pile, DJ, Felice, Anne, Inculcate....ect. I just don't agree on the same things more then not but I don't believe that means I should not be here. All the more reason for me to be here, why am I disagreeing with my peers. Is it all me or a consortium of different ideas with the group here.
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Well that OK, I guess.
--- Quote ---I consider her a friend, not to mentuion that she makes it possible for you, me, and everybody else to post here, and I think you should show her a little more respect in her own property. Yes, you can do what you want.. if she is going to allow it,
but so can I
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Yes she does and I don't think I take that for granted but I will take into consideration that my actions are displaying this possibly.
--- Quote ---Umm.. Before, I go.. real quick ( lol.. this eats up so much time) I just address the mystery man- thing.. I went to Daytop.. I witnessed these people on a daily basis. I have read here and elsewhere, post after post about Elan, and I have spoken with one woman on the phone, who immersed me in years of torturous details.
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I went to Daytop when I was 12 almost 13 yrs. in NYC. I was there for a few months, maybe the youngest they had ever had up to that point. It was very surreal looking back on it.
As I said Joe turned Elan into his personal nightmare, he was a very sick man.
--- Quote ---I understand these people.. I understand how they work. They enjoy it.. It is done for sport. There was no ring at Daytop. It was not violent at all, but I have seen things like, they ll have a guy stand up with insecurity- issues, and the attractive girls there would scream at him how repulsive he is, and things of that sort..
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Yes some Staff and Directors did do this for sport and if they mentally fucked you enough you could possibly do it to other residents, I did as a resident and as staff. I just don't know if I did it as a sport because I really was not getting a big kick out of screaming at people or all the other abuses Elan had.
--- Quote ---and of the course, the person would cry.. The particular person, taht i am talking about has never been the same again, from that day in his life.. and no it's not me.. but he's been living in self-made delusions ever since.
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I also know some folks living that way myself Elan was a big part but his life before and after was a mess. Their family life sucked ect....
--- Quote ---But what I mostly remember was how much the staff enjoyed it.. They should have stopped it, but they liked it, because they feed on unhappiness, and pain, and misery..
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Not all staff enjoyed watching people go through pain we just felt helpless to stop it, like I had no balls. Is that a excuse, of course not but it is the truth. At that point in my life I I felt could not nor would not stand up for the residents. I was so overwhelmed by Elan I did not even think to get help, reach out to the authorities. I thought some of the behavioral methods they were using were wrong ei: Ring, spanking, cowboy ass kicking but other methods I thought helped. That is how fucked up I was.I just wanted out when I left and never wanted to speak of it again.
--- Quote ---They temporarily inflate their hollow egos, by crushing others, in the name of a cause.
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Yes breaking you down psychologically but not having a clue as to how to bring you back. Yes that is what is happening in most of the TC's. Staff that is uneducated (barley have H.S. diploma) and inexperienced educated staff being put in charge to run therapeutic systems, ie: group sessions, individual counseling, writing progress reports, writing psychological profiles ect.....
--- Quote ---I ve heard the stories, and I know that the Elan counselors are of the same breed as the Daytop counselors.. Except they are a lot worse. I know these people.. I looked into them.. I know what I saw.. they could not trick me.. and they knew it.
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Not all Paul, not all. Yes I will agree I don't think I have heard of another program like Elan from 1974 on things at Elan got sicker and sicker as Joe got sicker.
Paul[/b]
Danny
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