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Hidden Elan School secrets (repost from cache)
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#26 Post by Guest » Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:25 am
--- Quote ---who are you???? if you were in the fam.....I want to know who you are e-mail me km22j@aol.com
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#27 Post by Guest » Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:09 am
--- Quote ---kyle hope you are really doin as well as you say you are, and if you are keep it up....
people wondered what ever happened to you
from fellow peer in nj from elan7
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#28 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:02 pm
--- Quote ---LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL
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#29 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:04 pm
--- Quote ---man I totally forgot about the "shakedown Street" envelope sign out. That was a big load of horse shit. I was "taking pride" in my dept. and lost my job for it. Do you remember when they put me in broadcasting and I had to do the morning report. Tania was always denying my song selection but was too dumb to realize all the dead offshoot bands I snuck by her. Good Times, yeah right. And the whole pete playing favorites thing is way too true. Take it from me and teddy, the worst asthmatics in elan, sorry that I am not athletically inclined. Pete set my grad date back by 16 months , milking yet another 200 g's that my dad didn't have. As twisted as the reality of being a "resident" was, I feel bad for the staff who ever try to leave, having such guilt weighing down their conscience. And doug, don't forget teds music ban (no phish, dead) I think he was down to listening to the top 40 for a while. Who has the right to tell you what vibrations ccan enter your ear canal? Oh I forgot...elan, remember that piece of paper you signed on day 1 at elan 1. I will be compiling some information about elan past and present,anyone who has a story to tell, email me this is your chance to be heard. write me at EnozLihpEht(at)aol.com. Of course replace (at) with @ but Im sure you all knew that. Please write from your point of view, first person, everyone is guaranteed anonymity or credit which ever you choose. thanks and everyone take care.
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#30 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:08 pm
--- Quote ---Oh yeah, i FORGOT, imagine that! This is WHIT LONG youll be sending your stories to, I have not one enemy from elan, anyone who knows me knows Im honest and kind, write me with the confidence that your stories will not be altered, except for grammatical errors and spelling. Hope to hear from you. Take care Ya'll.
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#31 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:11 pm
--- Quote ---sorry one more thing- enozlihpeht is simply "the phil zone" backwards if anyone gets confused (listen to the music play) peace.
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#32 Post by davbetz » Thu Apr 24, 2003 7:58 am
--- Quote ---Listen you little snert, who ever said I was a liar and an idiot, you couldn't find you ass with both hands. Your obviously "brainwashed" to feel something like that never happened.
I was there, saw it.....you must be one of the products of the "New Improved Elan". A person, Phil Williams, died in the ring. I obviously can't convince your myopic mind, so I won't bother.
Next time, you have something to say to me, E-Mail me, nfieldsmith@aol.com
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#34 Post by Guest » Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:00 am
--- Quote ---danny lavelle and mark de victoria live five minutes from me in tampa. i see them often. i knew i would do well. who are you. whoever you are i hope your doing well. kyle hart
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#35 Post by Guest » Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:08 am
--- Quote ---for anyone who want's to know. i finish my first year of college next week. and me and dan lavelle live down in tampa.i knew i would do fine
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#36 Post by Guest » Fri May 09, 2003 1:57 pm
--- Quote ---I was in Elan when Phil died in the ring.
There were many fucked up things that happened at Elan. I find it strange that in the past 3 years so many Elan "residents" from the late 70's and 80's have died, commited suicide, ended up incarcerated or having their lifes fall apart.
Especially if they told the truth about the abuses at Elan! Hi Dave I remember you!!
Glad to see you are still alive, you were always a nice guy.I would like to know what the FAM is and what they plan to do about injustice??? :evil:
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#37 Post by Guest » Sun May 11, 2003 6:55 am
--- Quote ---"When Phil died in the ring" ??
Ive stood by and watched the bullshit and constant lies for quite some time, but this one tops them all.
Phil didnt die in the ring, Phil died from an anurism which he was born with. A ticking time bomb. Coincidentally he was in the ring for a short time prior to his death. He was not placed in the ring against his will.
The state of Maine medical examiner performed an autopsy which confirmed the cause of death and the death certificate stated ANURISM. Nothing to do with physical abuse, a physical confrontation or otherwise.
This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
Posting anonomously
No regard for the truth
BIASED board owners/mods
The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation. And more
There are some really fucked up people here, but then again, theres some people who want others to simply THINK they are fucked up.
What a joke this place is. A stressful, negative unpleasant place to fabricate stories, say the most outrageous things you can think of, and piss and moan about a place you DESERVED to be for being the people you were, and in most cases, still ARE.
P. S.
Open ANY year book from ANY school, public or private, and the same "death, suicide, incarcerated..." stats will apply.
Elan isnt the source of the problems we all face after leaving, SOCIETY IS! deal with it.
If you feel bad about being in an allegedly abusive environment, GET HELP!, there are many many resources for help...THIS FUCKING FARCE WEBSITE (developed by a former, self proclaimed "abused person") IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR PROVIDING THE HELP YOU MIGHT NEED...nor is anyone here qualified to offer help.
P.S.S. Ginger, with your infinite wisdom and
knowledge, shouldnt this be an OBVIOUS OBSERVATION?
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#38 Post by dterrel » Tue May 13, 2003 4:19 pm
--- Quote ---Too many people are trying to make this place seem like it was a problem. If so, then why wasn't it shut down after that whole ordeal a couple of years ago? Obviously the state of Illinois agrees that Elan is a good place to send people that are in a "last resort" situation, as I was court-ordered to matriculate there.
I agree, it was hard and sucked because it took away a lot of freedoms that we had. Elan didn't, however, take away all of our freedoms... we did that to ourselves by acting the way we acted in high school! Get over it! I would like to hear about a forum for Elan graduates that does require people to log in to post, as I would like to see how some of my peers are doing now.
I have a hard time believing that all these people are this angry at elan as a system. Are you really angry at elan, or are you angry at the world? As Corey Taylor says; "Do you serve purposely, or do you purposely serve?" Are you the type that makes things happen, or are you the type that things happen to? Obviously if you have no time to look at the positives, and truths of life, you will never learn from them, and never grow up. I see these people that graduated from Elan at the same time as I did, making fun of people like Fred K or Peter M and to this I have to say that if you have nothing better to do than this, I want to know how many people in this world consider you a friend? I personally do not know anyone that would want me to be their friend after I vented like that on someone like this. Especially behind their backs (anonymous posting.)
As I close out, I want everyone to consider one final thought; "live like you have one day left to live, and play like you will never play again. After all of that is gone, you will regret not living life to the fullest. Carpe Dium."
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#39 Post by Bad Muther Fucker (Ezekie » Thu May 15, 2003 2:30 pm
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--- Quote ---On 2003-05-10 23:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
""When Phil died in the ring" ??
Ive stood by and watched the bullshit and constant lies for quite some time, but this one tops them all.
Phil didnt die in the ring, Phil died from an anurism which he was born with. A ticking time bomb. Coincidentally he was in the ring for a short time prior to his death. He was not placed in the ring against his will.
The state of Maine medical examiner performed an autopsy which confirmed the cause of death and the death certificate stated ANURISM. Nothing to do with physical abuse, a physical confrontation or otherwise.
This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
Posting anonomously
No regard for the truth
BIASED board owners/mods
The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation. And more
There are some really fucked up people here, but then again, theres some people who want others to simply THINK they are fucked up.
What a joke this place is. A stressful, negative unpleasant place to fabricate stories, say the most outrageous things you can think of, and piss and moan about a place you DESERVED to be for being the people you were, and in most cases, still ARE.
P. S.
Open ANY year book from ANY school, public or private, and the same "death, suicide, incarcerated..." stats will apply.
Elan isnt the source of the problems we all face after leaving, SOCIETY IS! deal with it.
If you feel bad about being in an allegedly abusive environment, GET HELP!, there are many many resources for help...THIS FUCKING FARCE WEBSITE (developed by a former, self proclaimed "abused person") IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR PROVIDING THE HELP YOU MIGHT NEED...nor is anyone here qualified to offer help.
P.S.S. Ginger, with your infinite wisdom and
knowledge, shouldnt this be an OBVIOUS OBSERVATION?"
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You're wrong. You're also a dickless moron.
Just an observation.
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#40 Post by Guest » Sun May 18, 2003 6:18 am
--- Quote ---hey good come-back "sad mother fucker"... you're such a pansy
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#41 Post by Bad Muther Fucker (Ezekie » Sun May 18, 2003 2:41 pm
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--- Quote ---On 2003-05-17 23:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hey good come-back "sad mother fucker"... you're such a pansy
This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
Posting anonomously
No regard for the truth
BIASED board owners/mods
The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation.
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WHERE'S YOUR NAME SNATCH?
CAREFUL WHO YOU CALL A LIAR.
It's called the first amendment COW.
Why don't you buy yourself a big black dildo and cram it up that tight fat ass-hole of yours. Meanwhile, I'll wait here. I want pictures.
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#42 Post by Guest » Sun May 18, 2003 5:11 pm
--- Quote ---Another brilliant rebuttal from the sad mother fucker.
Get a life retard, you ARE a liar ("be careful"?.. :rofl: ) fuckin liar... In one post you say you were not in Elan, yet you say I am wrong about Phil? I was there dumbass...uhh, how the fuck would you know? And how would you know a thing about Becky?
You are trully pathetic.
As far as my name is concerned, I wouldnt think of embarassing myself by telling everyone who it is wasting thier time bickering with your sick ass.
Help clean up this internet scumbag...NO FURTHER REPLIES TO "SAD MOTHER FUCKHEAD"
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#43 Post by Bad Muther Fucker (Ezekie » Sun May 18, 2003 5:32 pm
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--- Quote ---On 2003-05-18 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
Another brilliant rebuttal from the sad mother fucker.
Get a life retard, you ARE a liar ("be careful"?.. :rofl: ) fuckin liar... In one post you say you were not in Elan, yet you say I am wrong about Phil? I was there dumbass...uhh, how the fuck would you know? And how would you know a thing about Becky?
You are trully pathetic.
As far as my name is concerned, I wouldnt think of embarassing myself by telling everyone who it is wasting thier time bickering with your sick ass.
Help clean up this internet scumbag...NO FURTHER REPLIES TO "SAD MOTHER FUCKHEAD"
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Lick me
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#44 Post by Guest » Sun May 25, 2003 9:34 am
--- Quote ---once again ,, clarifications must be made,, the elan that i went to in early 80s is nuthin at all like some u peeps are describing.as the crap we went through was diff from early elan and daytop.carnivals??? maybe bedlam,,they use to really cut your hair in daytop,,in my day they justpounded you psycologicly,,and if that didnt work,, physically , till you rolled belly up.lets not even address the still twisted staff members with all that control,,the name alice dunn ring a bell?stand right there?? tight house?the only way elan stayed open was riccis money,, surprise inspections,, we knew about them for weeks,and when they really started to get looked at ,,, whaddya kno,, whole new facelift,,, :idea: the thing that makes me mad is that just becouse they dont beat people in restraints anymore doesnt justify that they did
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#45 Post by Paul St. John » Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:24 am
--- Quote ---Hey,
I never went to Elan. I went to Daytop.
Just found out tonight that Elan is based on Daytop. I ve read through this thread.( brought back a lot of memories- terms, and such)
I saw that one poster stated the idea that the people who were successful were those good at pretending. I saw that another posted stated that
what they really did not like around there, is people who were REAL. In reguards to the place that I went to, which sounds evry familair other then that we did not have a boxing ring, these things were entirely true.
The fact of the matter is quite clearly that these programs go against human nature, and the very fundamentals of objective human psychology. Therefore, a person would have to be pretending or manipualting to succeed in such an environment.
I also saw that there are people who violently defend the programs.. LOL.. I remember that shit form when I was in there.
These programs are destructive in spite of which stoiries being told here are true or not.
Thye are not helpful. I watched the mind s of innocent children broken around me everyday, and also battled tool and nail in holding my own mind together there throughout my stay.
My veiw of life was darkenned, and I belived it to be permanent. Fortunately, I am working through it, and hope to extirpate the negative effects permanently from my mind, and if anything turn it into a value form whatever knowledge I can extract from it, not to mention, in spite of all, I did have some good times in the place, and met a lot of decent people( the hard thing was watching these decent people fall apart with time)
Where I was, we were all constanly referred to as manipulators, by both the counselouyrs who played good cop, and the pones who played bad cop.
Almost all of the students there, accepted this very quickly as a fact. Now, let me ask you, once a person accpets that they are at nature a manipulatpor, is it suprising that they become manipulative? The funny thing is that the whole program is based on manipulation. I said it many times while there.
Reality is flexible there and based on convenience. Logic is used as a whore. There is no consistency. Whatever will beat the child is the logic or cliche that they will use at the time. Half the counselours were far from intelliegent, and a lot of them looked like they were still on drugs.
I remember saying to a friend.. " Ya know, before I came to this placeif I seen the average 40 year old man walking down the street with a bat in hand, I would just assume that he was coming from a baseball game. If I seen one ofthese counselour guys, I d think he was looking to mug or beat somebody" They had a criminals look behind their eyes, no matter what altruistic and fine role they now played played for society or how many their hardships or what great survivors they were.
I spent every day with these people, and I admit that I do feel some compassion towards them as being humans, and I even have some small part of me that feels bad for them, but that is how I saw them. A spade is a spade. A criminal is a criminal. I could often see a hatred for life and a hiunger in their eyes. Each day they fed on children, supplied to them by naieve parents, public shool systems, and the judicail system.
I could tell stories of shit that I seen go on in there forever, though I did not ever witness anyone being beaten nor any deaths while inside. Of course I did see the beating and murderring of spirits of children( some very young).
Paul St. John
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#46 Post by Paul St. John » Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:25 am
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--- Quote ---On 2003-04-07 21:02:00, Powerful Attitude wrote:
What kind of tight supervision were you under? 24--30 months is a killer.
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On 2003-04-14 13:47:00, dterrel wrote:
. NO CONTACT BETWEEN MALE and FEMALE (this includes both physical and emotional)!!! This was the killer, and way painful, hopefully I am not the only one that agrees!
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Dude,
I totally agree. That shit sucked.. I hated that. The idea of male-female relations, apparently had to be negated in the name of the great higher cause of " sobriety", when in actuality, it only fucks a person up more which will only lead to more dependence on drugs or something else that is equally as destructive.
Well, anway, I hear ya with that one. That shit was totally painful, and fucked me up for awhile after I left there too. Yo, where you were, did they refer to romantic involvement as things such as " seeking feelings" and " playing games"?
I love the way they make love out to be false, and unreal, and as well criminal. Sick fucks! It s not suprising. Love and romance are very inspiring things to individuals. They make a person hard to be controlled, and also increase a person s self-value, and increase self-concern.
Brain-washing really is not all that efficient under conditions such as those. :wink:
Paul St. John
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#47 Post by Guest » Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:44 pm
--- Quote ---Amen something worth reading ::read:: hope to see more interesting post such as your............ TY
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#48 Post by Paul St. John » Fri Jun 13, 2003 6:32 am
--- Quote ---Thank you
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#49 Post by Guest » Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:21 pm
--- Quote ---There was a student that went to elan name Priscilla Page who had sexual relations with a psychiatrist and he got her pregnant.Elan could'nt figure it out and therefore thought it was best to give her a speedy graduation.Though she was an adult at 18 it wasnt ruled statutory rape.THe psychiatrist did resign and I guess took responsibility and both him and Prisicilla got married.
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#50 Post by Guest » Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:23 am
--- Quote ---Wow.. That s almost like
a fucking romance story.
:smile:
Paul
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