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Hidden Elan School secrets (repost from cache)
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#131 Post by E7haterJe » Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:22 am
--- Quote ---I remember Diane Jacobs. She was there when I was, we were on a ban once, I think I was accused of glamorizing the outside world with her. I remember Diane, and I remember me. The staff confronted the wrong issues, in us young women at the time. I remember Diane and I and other girls at that time, were young, naive, girls. We manouvered our bodies in ways as natural young women our age would. Running through as an X or shingle, or ramrod or whatever with tons of responsibilities and worries on our mind, through a crowded dining room with chairs and giers all over, was very difficult not to bump into someone. obviously issues were way blown out of proportion and young womens femininety was disapproved and dealt with innapropriatly with the bans shit and stuff.
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#132 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:44 am
--- Quote ---I don't want to sound naive, but my parents are abusive, sadistic bastards who don't want to get in trouble...anyway, after many years of fighting they're sending me in April to Elan...so, I guess this is a bad thing? someone? help?
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#133 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:46 am
--- Quote ---*looks around site some more*
yea, this is looking very bad...what the hell should i do?
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#134 Post by Marina » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:47 am
--- Quote ---Trust me, you DON'T wanna go there.
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#135 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:20 am
--- Quote ---Whoever you are, run away from home, and get out of state. I wouldn't advise this normally, but you're being sent to elan. I hope you don't have that long until you turn 18.
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#136 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:34 am
--- Quote ---if you can emancipate i would suggest doing so. otherwise your screwed. I would never suggest running away from your problems cause they just come back and bite you in the ass. I would recomend you to send your parents here for some elan feed back, something tells me they will get it from many of us.
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#137 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:28 am
--- Quote ---People happened to just wake up one day and surprise... there's an agent or whatever that's called... and he'll physically force you to go down there. Ask people, this wasn't my case, but be aware.
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#138 Post by SyN » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:38 pm
--- Quote ---Yep, many a kid came in via bounty hunter. I know if they do get these bounty hunters to take you there, they do it at like 4 am.
But i dont know many people who were told they were going to be going to elan, until of course they were in the parking lot. What a treat for them.
SyN
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#139 Post by artman11111 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:07 pm
--- Quote ---anon
i would hire yourself an attorney or go to your local public defenders office
Elan is no kiddi camp... though alot different today.Leopards dont change their spots.From all I read here about "present day Elan",The abuse still exists as does the deception,manipulation,and shoddy billing practices.
Maybe you oughta consider your behaviors and put yourself "In check".Noone EVER got to Elan or places like it on a winning streak.
Just because someone calls you an asshole,doesnt mean you have to prove them right
art
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#140 Post by artman11111 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:11 pm
--- Quote ---Syn
In my day it was called "the goon squad". Unfortunately i was a part of it for a time..
Was a crazy time in my life.Would wake us up at 2am and fly us to whatever destination to intimidate and / or force a person to come with.
I remember a trip to hartford like that.The kid who's name i dont remember,was cryin,mom was cryin.. it was a very emotional experience.
Then we forced him into the car and jlater Joe's plane.
Never felt good about it,but as you may have heard,we never said no in those days for fear of the consequences
art
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#141 Post by Pete » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:51 pm
--- Quote ---I would rather live in a teen shelter than go back to Elan. Even though it helped me -- I hated it.
Let's get this straight. Your parents are getting rid of you because of their own problems? Or are you a troubled teen? Be honest with yourself.
If I were you, I would point out these sites. If that doesn't work, I would consult an attorney and if he could not act in a day or two, I would only run away from home if I knew I didn't need help and that I wouldn't hurt my parents because they didn't care anyway. But then again, think of what will happen if you are caught (you will probably get sent to Elan sooner)-- that should be an ABSOLUTE last resort. And you should only run away if you are sure your parents don't have your best interests at heart. I wouldn't advocate running away, but if your parents don't give a shit about you and don't love you, then you shouldn't give them too much regard.
Even if you have to live in a shelter or go to school in another state, it is better than Elan. There are few things worse than being confined somewhere against your will. You will miss the most formative years of your adolescence if you go to Elan. Unless your life is truly (and I mean truly) in danger or you're facing a prison sentence, there is no need to go to Elan.
If your life gets a little uncomfortable, you might think -- OK, I'll just go along with the Elan thing. DON'T! You will kick yourself. And don't let them turn on the tears either to make you feel guilty.
However, if you need some kind of help or guidance, I would try to strike a bargain with them to go somewhere other than Elan. There are several other therapeutic schools that are better than Elan. Grove School in Madison, CT is a good place where there's a lot of freedom and you probably won't want to leave anyway -- it's fun! Hyde School in Bath, Maine, is tough, but only in that you have to do a lot of athletics.
Good luck to you.
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#142 Post by E7haterJe » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:13 pm
--- Quote ---I saw these posts...about a kid bein sent to elan...
I kicked myself as Pete put it, (I think it was Pete) I said, well it will be probally chill like in the hospital, I can do whatever I want, another place I can call home away from home. I was better off, way better of at The John Dewey Academy, where I first was sent, which really wasnt now that I think about it , abusive at all. They didnt give verbal repermands, or GMS or you had to do things like you were living in the army, you could walk around town at your own risk, have money, cook, talk on the phone whenever you wanted to, go to the bathroom, bed, class etc whenever you wanted to. You could look in to that place, but It is EXPENSIVE... I fucked up, by assuming it to be a horrible place, I was a little pussy girl, rebelling against reality I guess you can put it..Being in Great Barrington, MA, was too much for a girl who practically grew up with family al the time all the way down in MIami... This school is also Co-ed and theres no such thing as a 1 on 1... Graduation from this school is also agood thing, educational wise.(as I have heard)... It is a voluntary program, so if you run away after 3 times, (as I did) they call your parents, and tell them they dont really want to try to keep you or help you ,because you dont want to be helped). But it is a beautiful place to live. It is at the Seres Castle (a real castle) and nice atmosphere and enviornment, if you have ever been to Marthas Vinyard, or Key West it is that sort of strange, yet neato vibe goin on.
If you can't persuade your parents to send you somewhere else, or to the John Dewey Academy, well then how old are you???? Do you have a friend far away you could run away to? Who will not phone your parents?? Do you suffer from anything? Drug or psychological abuse of any kind? Think about it....Honestly...do you have a problem? Or a problem you may not think is a problem, something natural you are going through, but as an "ADULT" they would think is a problem, from a concerned, parents eye??? If yes..what is it??? Try to find a solution??? Go through your parents stuff when they are not home, PAPERS etc, see if they are really reading or investigating The Elan School, see how serious it is. Read all the sights, print all the material, about the forums, the posts, the info on the Moxley murder etc,. the diff things people think, reviews on different schools. Suggest your parents send you to Outward Bound Program those are fun and summer is nearby.
Hope any of this helps...
Let me know...
Jenn
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#143 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:26 pm
--- Quote ---Thank you everyone...
Peter Moore--yes, they (parents) are not sending me away because they are sick people. And there are no laws against sick people, so I can't really do anything about it. Note that in my first post I put down that I don't want to sound naive...anyway, the only mistake I made was not preparing for this sooner. I have $250 not in the bank and no real escape plan. I have an IQ of 160 (very high), no identifiable problems, and I just moved 2 years ago to a town where my life is finally back on track...I have really everything I could have ever wanted (friends, popularity, decent grades), outside of my home. But there are really some horrible people in this world who can take advantage of you when you can't fight back, since you are a minor...
Thanks for the help everyone. I still don't really know what I'm going to try to do...this is all very hard. Noone should force change, and I don't think I've accepted that I'm going to be leaving for one place or another soon..God help me (pity moment).
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#144 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:35 pm
--- Quote ---arrgh...I had a reply, but I used the wrong button. I'll try to re-write it.
I meant that the parents are sending me away because they are bad people. I am perfectly fine. Which is odd, seeing how this has been going on for as long as I can remember, but I guess the result is an eventual thing. I've heard of these bounty hunter atrocities, and tho I don't expect them, I have to sleep with a fucking knife under my pillow.
I need a good psychologist. What really scares me is that no matter what happens, I will probably be destroyed forever, or become some sort of damn shell. And noone will ever know about this, because of these damn school situations. I just want to be a good person. I really can't take much more of this. If I do get out of this, tho, I will have to do something to fix all this someday :cry2:
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#145 Post by Pete » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:48 pm
--- Quote ---"I need a good psychologist. What really scares me is that no matter what happens, I will probably be destroyed forever, or become some sort of damn shell."
No, you won't. The fact that you're willing to reach out and ask for help --whether it's to us or a psychologist -- shows inner strength. With that, you can succeed anywhere, regardless of circumstance.
"And noone will ever know about this, because of these damn school situations. I just want to be a good person. I really can't take much more of this. If I do get out of this, tho, I will have to do something to fix all this someday"
I don't know what you can do to "fix" it -- but you can avoid the nightmare many of us endured -- a long period of confinement. Strike a bargain with them to go somewhere else -- one of the places we've mentioned or to live somewhere else. And if that doesn't work, get out of state. Do not use that knife -- those bounty hunters are acting with the consent of your parents (therefore within the law) and you will likely go to jail if you stab them. Get a lawyer -- this minute!
Best of luck... hurry up!
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#146 Post by artman11111 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:44 pm
--- Quote ---anon
Violence will only convince those around you how badly you need to be in a place like Elan which as you can see,everyone here is against.
We all have our own perspective axes to grind with the Elan School.From whatever era we attended.The stories run a chill up my spine today (over 25 years later).They are truly sick/perverse people.
Running away is not the answer you will be caught ... where could you go ? and for how long ?
Not the answer !!!
Child advacacy ( however its spelled) specialists are available in EVERY social service organization,state and otherwise.
Get plugged in,act now as Peter says .. He is right...
Throw that knife away before someone bigger takes it from you and uses it on ya
my email is listed and you can call anytime collect
God Bless and GOOD LUCK
Art
(wondering if this is an Elan troll)
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#147 Post by Full Coor BC » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:57 pm
--- Quote ---anon-
I would take everything that these people are saying to you very seriously, i had to go to elan-court ordered until i graduated, which ended up being 34 months later. If i had known before what was in store for me i would have thrown on a backpack and headed west, i wouldn't have stopped until i hit the ocean.
You need to avoid being sent to elan if possible, listen to these peoples suggestions, find a trustworthy freind and discuss your options. Be very, very careful not to slip up and tell your plan to the wrong person, remember: "loose lips sink ships". You need to put your smarts to work and think things out, save as much money is possible in the meantime while making your plan. And have a "sense of urgency".
You do not want to go to elan, the time lost is reason enough and the time that you lose as a teenager can never be replaced, its really hard for me to hear about what i missed while i was disconnected to from the world.
My best description of how i remember it is that it was a bad trip that lasted three years and anyone who has ever had a bad trip knows that it seems like it will never end and there is hardly anything you can do about it, nothing is right, everyone seems out to get you (accept in elan they usually were/are).you feel like you are losing your mind and the people you may be attracted to seek out for comfort end up being the people they won't let you talk to.
Its a sad scene to look around the dining room of one of elans "houses" on a holiday and see 50 miserable homesick kids and if not home sick then sick with themselves for having to be there.
sorry about the rant but its hard for me to make sense when describing elan to someone who has never been.lets just put it this way : I had never seen a place like elan before i went there and I would not wish it on my worst enemy.
I graduated and was not a major problem when i was there but it was still a living hell, every time i thought i was doing good and on my way out they pulled me back down and added more time. I was there 9-95 to 6-98 and i was supposed to be there 18 months. Don't let the best ( and as peter said "most formative") years of your life be stolen from you.
please take this warning seriously if you take your freedom seriously, don't wait until the police or bounty hunters have you cornered. You need to go before this becomes a problem. I wish i had the forethought of escape before i was captured. Keep checking in with us and let us know how you are.
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#148 Post by Marina » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:56 am
--- Quote ---"my email is listed and you can call anytime collect" - Can I call you collect too, Art?
::bigsmilebounce::
If anyone'd have the chance to go back in time and not be sent to Elan, trust me, they would. I know we can't change our pasts and I can't deny the fact that I've grown from this experience, so In learned to accept the facts and be thankful that it's over. Think about all the possible alternatives and act fast. There's nothing else I could say to you that wasn't mentioned previously. Listen to these guys, they are very sincere and they want to help you. Oh, by the way, don't call me collect, I live in Brazil, but you're welcome to e-mail me at any time.
Take care yo!
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#149 Post by Guest » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:42 am
--- Quote ---yes feel free to call Art collect anytime!!!!
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#150 Post by E7haterJe » Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:28 am
--- Quote ---Whitney Long- are you male??? You were in 7?? rightand you were very thin?? Ithink I remember you if this is who u r?
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#151 Post by Marina » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:10 am
--- Quote ---Whitney? Red hair, blue eyes, tall, good looking, played the guitar... I remember him.
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#152 Post by artman » Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:33 pm
--- Quote ---Marina
Buy a fone card !!!! cheapskate !!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
your collect call would break me !
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#153 Post by Marina » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:56 pm
--- Quote ---A phone card is no fun!!!!!!!!
::mecry::
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#154 Post by Full Coor BC » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:08 pm
--- Quote ---Yep jenn, you got me i was in your house for a while before your visit with deenah j. And marina youre making me blush but thank you. jenn, it took me a while to cook up your picture in my brain but it came to me after a little reminding from jordan, i have a hard time putting names with faces of people from when i first got to elan and right before i left. I remember all the people who i was there with for several months with a little easier though. It has been very strange and exciting remembering all these people.
_________________
Whit(ney) Long
Elan 7 Veteran
09-01-95 to 06-12-98
"Leave no turn unstoned"-Jerome Garcia
"I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave"- Jimmy Cliff
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#155 Post by O.U.2 » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:25 pm
--- Quote ---Some one said something about Dave Lovallo. Is he the kid who got sent to E-7 from E-8 to keep him close to his gay ass brother? I was on a ban from him because we had a split contract and one day he went to E-7 for the day because he couldn't go on a trip and he told his gay ass brother about it and if you went to elan you know the rest HELL!!!! :cry2:
Also, Peter M. I was the one who asked about Eric L. and Bill M. but i was not signed in. i also wanted to know if Jeff Ortiz really killed his mom with a sledge hammer?
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