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are there any success stories? (repost from cache)
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#26 Post by wimbelton » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:07 am
--- Quote ---I was surely more of a drug-addict than you, that I know for a fact. Before Elan especially, but definitely post-Elan as well. Yet, I do not understand what that has to do with my statement.
You clearly fall into category 3 for one main reason: you went back to Elan to work as a staff member.
You obviously have a twisted mind. Who could experience Elan and then voluntarily go back to work as a staff member. You never got over that shit huh? You never shook Elan off of your back. You never stepped back and actually looked at what happened, did you?
Then you went back to work as a staff member? You are either a greedy bastard, sick in the head, or are driven by some insane belief that you can 'help' people using the same skills that Elan taught you.
Elan played you fool.
Elan filled your head with bullshit in order to keep collecting $$$.
You agree with people being in Elan now? In 2009? You think the program changed just because you were there 'back in the day'? It is no different now. Only now, they are praying on younger and more vulnerable children.
Get a clue.
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#27 Post by Ursus » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:21 am
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--- Quote from: "Danny Bennison" ---The other part is the addictive side of my personality whether I was incarcerated or not I had this. I remember in even younger years my obsessive/ compulsive behavior. Alcohole was just waiting for me.
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Obsessive/compulsive in a younger person often stems from a need to control, or impose a meaningful order on one's universe. Usually 'cuz one doesn't have it, control or meaningful order, that is. It's a coping mechanism.
I'd say that putting such a kid in an overly controlled environment, where the shots are called by someone else, not to mention being held responsible in a punitive and degrading fashion, doesn't do much but aggravate the original problem. Especially if there is no decompress afterward, and the kid goes straight back into the "real world" with no genuine support system.
Twelve years old is far too young to have an physical addiction to alcohol. Barring phenomenally unusual genetics, I just can't see it as physiologically possible. Psychological reasons may tell a different story, of course.
--- Quote from: "Danny Bennison" ---...I spent from 6/71 till 1/77 incarcerated in one form or another. In drug treatment programs Daytop 71, Marathon house 73 and Elan 75 in between in and out of Y.C.C. in Cranston R.I.
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I just find this roster of programs quite ... compelling. All of these programs are based on pretty harsh versions of a therapeutic community modality. For those who may not know, what was originally known as Marathon House, Inc., later came to be known as Phoenix House New England. From their website:
Welcome to Phoenix House New England
Phoenix Houses of New England – originally called Marathon House – was founded in 1967 by a coalition of social service professionals, clergy, business, and political leaders in Providence, Rhode Island. Today, some 1000 adults and teenagers receive treatment each day through 45 programs in Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont and Connecticut. In addition to the residential and outpatient programs outlined below, Phoenix Houses of New England provides an array of services to specific populations including the homeless, persons involved with the criminal justice system and those charged with driving under the influence.[/list]
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#28 Post by Ursus » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:33 am
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--- Quote from: "Danny Bennison" ---...I was dickering with someone who calls themselves "inculate".
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Btw, it's "Ursus," not that I much care... But the poster you were "dickering with" calls themselves "Inculcated" -- which means something f-a-r far different from what you've been calling them! Your misnomer might well be contributing to some of the... er... frostiness being (consequently) expressed... :D
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#29 Post by Inculcated » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:45 am
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Btw, it's "Ursus," not that I much care... But the poster you were "dickering with" calls themselves "Inculcated" -- which means something f-a-r far different from what you've been calling them! Your misnomer might well be contributing to some of the... er... frostiness being (consequently) expressed... :D
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LMAO, no the paronomasia is not at issue for me.Sesquipedalian tergiversation can be fun. The equivocal statements and lectures are what tuned me out.
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#30 Post by Eliscu2 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:45 am
--- Quote ---Hey Danny; you sound pretty BRAINWASHED.
This is not the "Love Connection" here.
This is the Elan Forum of Fornits.
Freedom of Speech for one and all.
If you want to talk about the "Good Elan", Go over to Ken Zaretsky's site.
He has plenty of delusions that I know you will find interesting.
Like I said, freedom of speech.
If someone tears you a new asshole don't be shocked.
I'd offer you some Kool-Aid, but it looks like you have had way too much to drink already!
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Ursus:
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#31 Post by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:35 am
--- Quote ---Eliscu2 first anger...anger...anger every site I've seen you on you hiss. You can't rip me b/cuz I won't let you. I don't buy your act because it appears just angry. So please bring it but show me you really care for something other than yourself and how you feel. Talk about koolaid that 2000 phrase that Bill O' Riley likes to say com'on. Give me something.
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#32 Post by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:44 am
--- Quote ---Wimbelton, READ I did not go back to Elan to work I worked there following my graduation. I got there in 6/75 graduated in 1/77 and worked for them until 11/78. Now for the matter of comparing self-destruction sorry could care less. I have recovered from a seemlessly hopeless state of mind brother don't care to go back. Stop getting angry.
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#33 Post by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:02 am
--- Quote ---Ursus, once again thanks for your info can't deny you show your homework. As for children who are Alcoholics well I am not going to argue this because I walk with them everyday. Everybody has a theory I support all if it helps the one who suffers. "Frosty", well I do believe (Inculcate) was far from thawed before I came into that life. LOL
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#34 Post by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:20 am
--- Quote ---Hey Inculcated, Happy to see your intellectual humor is back using these big words on me.(LOL) Ya know I live in the south and we all use Ya'll and Hee Haw down here so your waisting it on me. I am a simple man with very basic principles and values. So I am very sorry if I trampled upon you in a very repetitive way my new freind. I have been living here in Georgia for the last 15yrs and one gift they did give me here was a spirituality, I 've never had. Of course I had to buy into this but it has become a big part of my life. I don't mean going to church on sundays, what I believe I have cultivated is within my soul. So where am I going with this I don't know just wanted to say it. Sounded nice. Peace and Love Brother Danny
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#35 Post by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:32 am
--- Quote ---Ursus, you seem to have a agenda which I am not afraid of at all. I welcome the conversation and the opportunity to be a student or the other. I just wish you would give more info about yourself and exactly what it is your doing. Thanks Danny
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#36 Post by Eliscu2 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:07 pm
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--- Quote from: "Danny Bennison" ---Eliscu2 first anger...anger...anger every site I've seen you on you hiss. You can't rip me b/cuz I won't let you. I don't buy your act because it appears just angry. So please bring it but show me you really care for something other than yourself and how you feel. Talk about koolaid that 2000 phrase that Bill O' Riley likes to say com'on. Give me something.
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Gee Danny, I did not realize I sound so angry.
Thanks for making me aware of the way you percieve me.
"Seeing ourselves in the eyes of others; shall demand change."
Funny Danny; no one remembers you!
I asked several people who were there at that time and they do not remember you.
A few people even suggested that you are Douglas Davis.
I really don't care who you are.
Just because you think Elan was great, does not mean the rest of us do.
I personally care because I feel compelled after the abuse I witnessed.
It bothers me to this day that there a still minds being twisted up there in Maine.
There has been much work done to close this place by people who can not just walk away and leave others to be abused.
We call it PASSION; not anger.
Bill O'Reilly did not coin the phrase "Drinking the Kool-Aid"
It's a cult thing; like Jim Jones.
Figures you would watch FOX news........................IDIOT!
If you want to know me, go google my name.
I am not hiding.
I would tell you to go to HELL, but I work there and I do not want to see you every day. :rasta:
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#37 Post by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:57 pm
--- Quote ---Eliscu2, man you are something what the hell happened to you in your life that you have to be so angry. There is a passion about you no doubt but you have to admit there is rage there also. Now , the only reason I choose to continue this w/ you is because you came out of Elan. Now for the last time woman my name is Daniel Lee Bennison at elan from 6/7- 1/77 resident , Employee 1/77 - 11/78, Graduated 1/77. Now it is no surprise that you can"t find alot of people from that time that know me. First I was 16yrs old when I got there (34yrs ago), second I didn't stand out ( no ring, GM's, signs or anything) I just breezed through and stayed on everybodies good side (that was my (M.O.) back then). For this I got to probably do alot of things that other people didn't. Some names from Chicago mostly from E-5 Tricia McCarty,Sue Goodman, Sean O'hara. NOW PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS-------I AM NOT STANDING UP FOR JOE, MARTY,SHARON,MARC,JEFF G. OR ANYBODY ELSE. I don't even know right now who Ken, Doug or who the hell your talking about. You have got me all confused with everybody else your batteling with. I am not against what you stand (I hope I understand) for I applaud it but I may have another way of going about it. A more personal direct way. Listen all these folks your talking about were young back then, all of us were young Marty was 23, Peter 25, ect... so we were inticed by Elan (no excuses) just reality... some left, some stayed. I will tell you this everyone I know that worked there when we were young (most of us were 17 - 18 or early 20's) carry a heavy heart for our participation in the insane practices being used there. So please don't go flying down the road thinking you have me figured out "PLEASE". I would like to start over and see if we can Idenify are common interests, if not so be it. In my 50yrs of living I have learned that first impressions suck. Luv ya Danny P.S. meet me half way girl!!!!!!
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#38 Post by Eliscu2 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:26 pm
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--- Quote from: "Danny Bennison" ---Eliscu2, man you are something what the hell happened to you in your life that you have to be so angry. There is a passion about you no doubt but you have to admit there is rage there also. Now , the only reason I choose to continue this w/ you is because you came out of Elan. Now for the last time woman my name is Daniel Lee Bennison at elan from 6/7- 1/77 resident , Employee 1/77 - 11/78, Graduated 1/77. Now it is no surprise that you can"t find alot of people from that time that know me. First I was 16yrs old when I got there (34yrs ago), second I didn't stand out ( no ring, GM's, signs or anything) I just breezed through and stayed on everybodies good side (that was my (M.O.) back then). For this I got to probably do alot of things that other people didn't. Some names from Chicago mostly from E-5 Tricia McCarty,Sue Goodman, Sean O'hara. NOW PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS-------I AM NOT STANDING UP FOR JOE, MARTY,SHARON,MARC,JEFF G. OR ANYBODY ELSE. I don't even know right now who Ken, Doug or who the hell your talking about. You have got me all confused with everybody else your batteling with. I am not against what you stand (I hope I understand) for I applaud it but I may have another way of going about it. A more personal direct way. Listen all these folks your talking about were young back then, all of us were young Marty was 23, Peter 25, ect... so we were inticed by Elan (no excuses) just reality... some left, some stayed. I will tell you this everyone I know that worked there when we were young (most of us were 17 - 18 or early 20's) carry a heavy heart for our participation in the insane practices being used there. So please don't go flying down the road thinking you have me figured out "PLEASE". I would like to start over and see if we can Idenify are common interests, if not so be it. In my 50yrs of living I have learned that first impressions suck. Luv ya Danny P.S. meet me half way girl!!!!!!
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half way
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/mental-he ... iscu/truth
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/mental-he ... ce-eliscu/
http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... ice_Eliscu
:beat:
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#39 Post by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:46 pm
--- Quote ---My time there was from 6/75 till 1/77 as resident and 1/77 till 11/78 as staff. This did not show up properly on my last post. Well Felice your story is extremely compelling and my heart sincerely goes out to you and your children. We all have our story " We the folks from Elan" and there usually not happy ones. Just to share a little my mom and dad in the world today would have been in prison for the abuses they commited on their children. That is the world alot of us came out of so I figured shut up (at elan) and surrender, and possibley they won't kill you. The physical abuse I had at home and the Juvie centers taught me, elan was just the same and I just didn't feel like getting beat up anymore. So I shrank to the smallest size I could emotionally, mentally and spiritually to keep away from the tornado (Joe, Marty, Peter and Jeff). Man it took me years to figure this shit out w/ a lot of help from the professional Doctors, but I will say this when I finally started praying in earnest with a sincere heart miracles started to happen. I am not a BIBLE THUMPER, I just said what do I have to lose. The god I have today is "my understanding" not anyone elses. Now I'm a pretty big guy 6' 1" about 230lbs. now, back then 16yrs.old 5' 11" 185-190 not a small guy but as you know it doesn't matter once you give over your spirit, heart and soul you feel like your dead. I don't care about fighting anymore I want to find solutions it is OK in my book for other folks not to agree w/ me so long as we can achieve our main goal helping each other and the one who still suffers. Thank You Felice you seem to be beautiful women and also for meeting me "halfway". I will pray for your daughters and you to reunite. Love and Peace Danny :) :)
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#40 Post by Eliscu2 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:35 pm
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--- Quote from: "Danny Bennison" ---My time there was from 6/75 till 1/77 as resident and 1/77 till 11/78 as staff. This did not show up properly on my last post. Well Felice your story is extremely compelling and my heart sincerely goes out to you and your children. We all have our story " We the folks from Elan" and there usually not happy ones. Just to share a little my mom and dad in the world today would have been in prison for the abuses they commited on their children. That is the world alot of us came out of so I figured shut up (at elan) and surrender, and possibley they won't kill you. The physical abuse I had at home and the Juvie centers taught me, elan was just the same and I just didn't feel like getting beat up anymore. So I shrank to the smallest size I could emotionally, mentally and spiritually to keep away from the tornado (Joe, Marty, Peter and Jeff). Man it took me years to figure this shit out w/ a lot of help from the professional Doctors, but I will say this when I finally started praying in earnest with a sincere heart miracles started to happen. I am not a BIBLE THUMPER, I just said what do I have to lose. The god I have today is "my understanding" not anyone elses. Now I'm a pretty big guy 6' 1" about 230lbs. now, back then 16yrs.old 5' 11" 185-190 not a small guy but as you know it doesn't matter once you give over your spirit, heart and soul you feel like your dead. I don't care about fighting anymore I want to find solutions it is OK in my book for other folks not to agree w/ me so long as we can achieve our main goal helping each other and the one who still suffers. Thank You Felice you seem to be beautiful women and also for meeting me "halfway". I will pray for your daughters and you to reunite. Love and Peace Danny :) :)
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I finally found someone who knows you he said:
--- Quote ---he was one of the worst abusers. He took pleasure in it.
He tied Mary Jones to the back of a car and dragged her around the grounds. He was the one who drilled holes in the paddle for spankings to draw blood.
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WTF Danny you are FUCKED UP to even come around here spewing your "peace garbage"
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Ursus:
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#41 Post by Danny Bennison » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:23 pm
--- Quote ---I am done with you, I'll pray for you for sure. Take Care Felice I hope you can find peace in your heart and mind but most your soul. Love Danny
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#42 Post by Joel » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:41 pm
--- Quote ---Danny,
Why did you work at a school you attended where children were abused?
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#43 Post by Danny Bennison » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:56 pm
--- Quote ---Joel,
Hey there are several sites that I have shared on I have a lot of info out there for you to read about me I have tried to be forth coming in my personal story. Joel I got to Elan One as a resident in the summer of 1975, June. I was 16 yrs. old and had been drinking and shooting dope for about a year. I entered Elan and was there for appro. 18 mons. I graduated in January of 1977. I was 17 years old and I started working for Elan for $50.00 a week. Peter McCann (thru Joe) would pay me cash b/cuz of my age. Need I say more I was caught up in the Elan hoopla. I left in November Of 1978 very drunk and angry. Long time ago my freind.
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#44 Post by Danny Bennison » Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:37 pm
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--- Quote from: "Danny Bennison" ---The other part is the addictive side of my personality whether I was incarcerated or not I had this. I remember in even younger years my obsessive/ compulsive behavior. Alcohole was just waiting for me.
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Obsessive/compulsive in a younger person often stems from a need to control, or impose a meaningful order on one's universe. Usually 'cuz one doesn't have it, control or meaningful order, that is. It's a coping mechanism.
I'd say that putting such a kid in an overly controlled environment, where the shots are called by someone else, not to mention being held responsible in a punitive and degrading fashion, doesn't do much but aggravate the original problem. Especially if there is no decompress afterward, and the kid goes straight back into the "real world" with no genuine support system.
Twelve years old is far too young to have an physical addiction to alcohol. Barring phenomenally unusual genetics, I just can't see it as physiologically possible. Psychological reasons may tell a different story, of course.
--- Quote from: "Danny Bennison" ---...I spent from 6/71 till 1/77 incarcerated in one form or another. In drug treatment programs Daytop 71, Marathon house 73 and Elan 75 in between in and out of Y.C.C. in Cranston R.I.
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I just find this roster of programs quite ... compelling. All of these programs are based on pretty harsh versions of a therapeutic community modality. For those who may not know, what was originally known as Marathon House, Inc., later came to be known as Phoenix House New England. From their website:
Welcome to Phoenix House New England
Phoenix Houses of New England – originally called Marathon House – was founded in 1967 by a coalition of social service professionals, clergy, business, and political leaders in Providence, Rhode Island. Today, some 1000 adults and teenagers receive treatment each day through 45 programs in Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont and Connecticut. In addition to the residential and outpatient programs outlined below, Phoenix Houses of New England provides an array of services to specific populations including the homeless, persons involved with the criminal justice system and those charged with driving under the influence.[/list]
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Going back a few weeks ago to this conversation you are right w/ the assessment you came with,it is right on target w/ having to control or having to have meaningful order. The household I grew up in lacked these mechanisms outrageously and the degrading and abusive practices didn't happen at treatment to me as much as I saw with others. To be honest they happened at home before, during, and afterwards, being at Elan and these other centers was almost like a reward. Just my parents didn't know. Now if this isn't sick on so many levels what is. Alot to be untangled.
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#45 Post by Danny Bennison » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:34 am
--- Quote ---So back to the orginal question, "are there any success stories" yes there are. Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am a success...... success for me happened over a period of time and now is a regular experience
of mine. My mind, body and spirit are being fed on a daily routine, there is not the humilation, debasing, undermining cruelity and total dominance crushing the three essentials I named above. So I can fly now.
My heart becomes very heavy when I think of the children being treated today, the adults being kept in ignorance. So as always we move on (as w/ this site ), try to bring awareness to this abusive behavior. Love and Peace Danny
Awareness that is success !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anne Bonney:
Wow. This thread explains quite a bit.
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