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are there any success stories? (repost from cache)
Matt C. Hoffman:
I can't for the life of me forgive elan and its henchmen for the stuff that went down. I can forgive the folks that had to do the bidding of elan and its henchmen. They were just following orders, and if the didn't they would be on the recieving end.
Felice is right if you love elan go to zaretski site , it aint no love connection thing here.
Granted I have connected with former residents. Some don't want to talk about elan , and I respect that , most however feel like myself , that the hell hole should be shutdown and those henchmen be put in prison for the rest of their natural lives.
I consider myself a success, not because of elan. If I had believed the crap elan put in my head ,I would have been dead a long time ago.I knew the stuff that went on in elan by me and to me was not because I was sick or a bad person. It was because elan was sick and a bad place.
Thank God for cannabis, it helped me deal with the brainwashing nonsense that elan (it gave me space no pun between elan and myself)tried to put in my head. It helped me heal from elan. No phama drug would have helped like cannabis believe me.
Yeah I hate elan and its henchmen. It was/is a sick ,twisted place.
I consider myself a success because I survived the certian pains of hell that was elan, which was criminal with out a doubt, and I am alive to talk about the truth that was/is elan. Yes I am a success.
Ursus thank you for reposting this thread. Puts things in a different light. The more things change the more it seems they stay the same. Different thread ,different idea, same thing .
Nobody wants to have program fodder crammed down their throats. Granted ricci hated AA alot of other programs incorporated the 12 along with their particular brand of brainwashing. If I was in one of those programs and someone started proselytizing AA I would be getting a little peeved.
Its kinda how I feel when people say oh elan was good and I should "just "get over it. I get actually more than a little peeved , I get angry.
Thank you again Ursus.
Peace
Matt
RTP2003:
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Thank God for cannabis, it helped me deal with the brainwashing nonsense that elan (it gave me space no pun between elan and myself)tried to put in my head. It helped me heal from elan. No phama drug would have helped like cannabis believe me.
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This is an important point that I appreciate you bringing up, Matt. Cannabis is especially helpful to program survivors because it not only helps us cope with the trauma, but also helps us see beyond the indoctrination to which we were subjected. It certainly has been a major factor, and of indispensable aid, in my healing and coping with the bullshit that Straight foisted upon my psyche. The pharma drugs I took gave me just enough energy to attempt suicide. Smoking marijuana has helped me to "destroy the Straight that still existed inside my head". Of course, to the still program-indoctrinated (read:brainwashed), I am a relapsed druggie, disgruntled about my stint in an abusive program because I wasn't able to smoke marijuana while I was there.
--- Quote ---Nobody wants to have program fodder crammed down their throats. Granted ricci hated AA alot of other programs incorporated the 12 along with their particular brand of brainwashing. If I was in one of those programs and someone started proselytizing AA I would be getting a little peeved.
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Damn right! My first exposure to the Stepcult was at Straight, and, knowing what I know now, I'm not about to listen to those that practice Stepcraft. If it works for them, great, but I'm not about to listen to them tout how great it is. Save that shit for your goddamn meetings, don't bring it to a board comprised primarily of survivors of abusive "treatment" facilities, particularly ones, as you stated, who come from a program where Stepcraft was practiced.
Ursus:
--- Quote ---Thank you Ursus.
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Y'all are most welcome. There are posts still missing from the end of the thread, unfortunately. If I'm able to locate them, I'll be sure to add them in.
Matt C. Hoffman:
I wonder if there are other
residents that have successfully put elan in its properspective, and consider themselves a success . I am willing to bet that there are quite a few folks that don't credit any cult program with their success,(like elan)
This was one of the lost threads that I was talking about ,and I am glad the it has been found.
Anne you are most correct.( great letter btw from Shapiro to his daughter)
Peace
Matt
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman" ---I wonder if there are other
residents that have successfully put elan in its properspective, and consider themselves a success . I am willing to bet that there are quite a few folks that don't credit any cult program with their success,(like elan)
This was one of the lost threads that I was talking about ,and I am glad the it has been found.
Anne you are most correct.( great letter btw from Shapiro to his daughter)
Peace
Matt
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:shamrock:
I believe there are many. I have read there stories on various sites, talked with old friends who know of others who are doing well. They got better just like we did, we just have not met them yet. It is not all gloom and doom...lol
Danny
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