Joyce's bills would curb shock treatments at Canton school

[Che Gookin]

The fact that you are calling the kids retards and praising the whooter in the same post isn't exactly helping the whooter's case.

Just pointing that out to you is all.

[RavingMad]

The fact that you are calling the kids retards and praising the whooter in the same post isn't exactly helping the whooter's case.

Just pointing that out to you is all.

who trully gives a hit, not like any of you einstiens are going to end this any time soo. just look at some of you...excellent examples of spokespeople. You all are here for on thing..ATTENTION WHORING. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:

[Ursus]

And some more from Nancy Weiss...


Nancy21212 wrote: 3/12/2010 8:18 AM EST

PART ONE:

Everything JRC puts forth in defense of its unorthodox behavioral techniques hinges on the argument that sold Globe columnist Lawrence Harmon – these are children who have severe developmental disabilities and life threatening behaviors who (in their view), without electric shock, would be (as Harmon lists) eye gouging, mutilating their genitals, and banging their heads. Positive behavior supports are effective for people with behaviors this severe but one wonders if the population JRC talks so much about and parades out in its PR campaigns even represents the population that is really there today.

JRCs census has fallen dramatically in recent years. When states stopped being willing to send kids with autism to JRC (or when some states stopped sending kids at all) JRC clearly shifted its focus. Many of the people there now (and for the past number of years) are not kids with severe autism or other developmental disabilities but the other group that can push the limits of families, professionals and systems -- tough, oppositional street kids that had gotten in trouble multiple times and that schools were anxious to see go elsewhere.

Even if you can be sold on the trade-off of shocking kids with severe life threatening behaviors, how do you make a case for shocking the kind of kids they have there now? Kids who get shocked for talking back, failing to maintain a neat appearance, interrupting others, nagging, swearing and making unauthorized phone calls. One clear indication of the population JRC is now marketing to is the professional conferences at which it exhibits. Recently, these have included the American Probation and Parole Association and the Virginia Juvenile Justice Association. Of JRC's current population, how many are the kind of kids with severe disabilities that are the only ones anyone ever sees or talks about? This would be an interesting issue for a reporter to explore.

There are three documents on JRC's website – you can search for them by clicking the search button across the banner at the top and searching for 'prior place' (they are not designed to be able to provide a link). They are called: Exhibits 1, 2, and 3 priorplace.html. They list, by initials, which facilities people at JRC had been in prior to coming to JRC. Almost none of these places are facilities for people with developmental disabilities. This is not to say that a child with a significant developmental disability might not have ended up at a treatment center that usually focuses on kids with psychiatric problems or on kids in the juvenile justice system, but it would be very unusual for a child like this not to have at least started at facilities for children with developmental disabilities.

Nancy21212 wrote: 3/12/2010 8:19 AM EST

PART TWO:

Someone familiar with the treatment of kids with varying disabilities could make a good guess about how many of the residents listed represent JRC's "old population" and how many are more likely tough kids who proved too much for their families and schools to handle. If an argument could be made that "surely this is better than letting a child gauge his eyes out or eat feces or bang his head against the wall" – it just doesn't hold water when you're working with kids whose biggest issue may be that they come from families that didn't have the skills or support to help their kids grow up with controls.

Because as a society we (like every other industrialized nation in the world) are clear that we would not allow painful electric shock to be used even against hardened criminals or political prisoners, JRC would have a much harder time defending the use of these practices against kids who are simply troubled.
-- Nancy Weiss

[Whooter]

Nancy Weiss wrote

…..Of JRC's current population, how many are the kind of kids with severe disabilities that are the only ones anyone ever sees or talks about? This would be an interesting issue for a reporter to explore.

It would be interesting to see how the population has changed over time.  I think the current practice of having a judge review each case prior to authorizing shock treatment and having advocacy people and a psychiatrist sign off on the treatment helps eliminate the shock treatment from just being administered at will on anyone.
Most of the people at the center do not receive electric shock therapy and of the ones that do the average person receives one shock per week which lasts 2 seconds.  So I think there is some misinformation going around that needs to be cleared up or at the very least some discrepancies.



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[RTP2003]

. You all are here for on thing..ATTENTION WHORING. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:

and you know all about that..........