Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Whooter:
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--- Quote ---I hate when people say AA keeps them sober, No you idiot YOU keep YOU sober and the same goes for the program. The program doesn't save lives, it simply provides an opportunity to put things into perspective
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I think your are right on the money. You could not have said it any better.
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Joel, This is an area which we all agree. We cant give the programs full credit for how well the kids do after they leave the program. They (the kids) do a tremendous amount of work and it is up to them to continue on a healthy path once they leave. The programs just provide the tools which make the children successful.
If a child moves on to a happy and productive life or returns to a destructive life we cant blame or credit the program for the child’s decision. I think there are excepts, though, one being where the program isn’t a good fit for the child and the time there isn’t beneficial. If a program knowingly accepts a child who doesn’t fit their acceptance profile than they should be held accountable for the child not progressing or getting better.
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Anonymous:
" WAY OFF TOPIC BUT YOU STARTED IT........ :shamrock:
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"I hate when people say AA keeps them sober, No you idiot YOU keep YOU sober and the same goes for the program. The program doesn't save lives, it simply provides an opportunity to put things into perspective. That being said, I dont think being a privately funded prison gives these places the right to mistreat kids for what they have mistaken to be their own good. Somehow these people need to come to this realization, and hopefully so before they ruin anymore lives."
:shamrock:
Well,"I am sorry you "HATE" that people say AA keeps them sober". That you think we are "IDIOTS", (no offense taken).
Obviously you have never been in the throws of alcoholism or drug addiction, I don't mean smoking a joint and drinking a beer one to many times you pissed your pants and were embarrassed. I mean no other choice, knocking heads with curbs and I can go on.......
So your doing everything in your life eh.....all by yourself, "how's that working for ya". I'm sure your real happy you would say.
AA was based a upon Judea Christian Philosophies, God is mentioned in the book hundreds of times. When folks say," AA saved their lives", they are basing it upon spiritual principles that AA wrote about. Which you could also get from the Bible or your good ole gramma.
This my dear Fatel, is based upon 22 yrs. of sobriety and being clean. Ex-Junkie/Alcoholic 11/2/88 DOS
proud member. Read the book and then read it again....separate personalities from principles. ( AA is the literature not the people (per say) ) AA is and always will be a "Design for Living".
I am so happy you found your way to live, can't you be happy for folks that found a way to live practicing the principles that AA wrote about. Which really are basic life principles.
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Danny......
Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Anonymous:
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---Whooter,
The average cost for a child to go to a therapeutic boarding school or wilderness program, including assistance from an education consultant, is $115,000 - $125,000. What are your thoughts on this figure?
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Joel, it is a tremendous amount of money. Either the demand is extremely high or there is a shortage of beds but it seems to have leveled off because the price has been fairly steady at $6,000 a month over the past several years. Ten years ago it was $4,000 - $5,000 a month so we have only seen about a 30% increase over the past decade. After the economy improves a little more I expect we will be seeing another increase.
This is very difficult for the average person to afford. ( Presently the lion’s share of the industry is controlled by only a few players.) If the programs become regulated by the government then the average family will be able to attain low interest federally insured loans to cover these costs and will also become tax deductible which would ease the burden on the family. As more families become eligible for loans (or covered by insurance) then the industry would expand, more programs would open and the cost would eventually come down creating an environment for a more competitive industry thereby lowering the cost.
But for now only a small portion of the population are able to seek this level of help for their children the rest are falling through the cracks and we are all paying for it through existing federal assistance programs and rehabs.
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