Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Anonymous:
Funny I did a little mini survey on Darrington,Hidden Lake and Straight here in Georgia with in state folks every testimony was negative so far, some worse then others. I am not done so I will refrain from saying anymore but I couldn't resist some comment.
My novice study will be with specifically Georgia residents that attended these treatment facilities. Like I said I am a novice at best and these folks will know who I am and what I am trying to accomplish. I have already shunned about 30% of the folks I've interviewed for various reasons most for inauthentic stories. Facts and emotions are hard to divide sometimes...Sometimes I don't think it matters.
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Danny.....
Whooter:
Wow that is a novel, FemanonFatal. Thank you for responding to this subject. There are so many people out there who just reject these studies out of hand or out of sheer ignorance because they don’t like the outcome and make comments like the researchers were paid off etc., without providing evidence
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" ---Forgive me for being a bit out of the loop here... I'm reminded of this topic but can't place the name of the school that did this study. Maybe you can fill in that blank and I'll go read into it before I give you my personal opinion but generally, I believe it's common knowledge when a "study" is being conducted by a biased party result will surely vary in favor of the party who is paying to have the research done. Isn't that just about the same as fixing an election?
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There absolutely is a bias in everyone, I do agree with you. From the doctors who conducted the Framingham heart study to the person on fornits telling of their own experience inside a program. Each person will be biased by their personal experiences and ties to the subject at hand. According to many peoples logic, who have responded here on fornits regarding studies, heart studies should be conducted by people who are not connected to the medical field and have no medical experience at all. Maybe auto mechanics/engineers can conduct heart studies and the doctors can conduct crash tests on cars. That would certainly take out some of the bias.
Do you think studies of the teen help industry should be conducted by people who don’t have any knowledge of what they do? Many people here have a hard time with research being conducted by people who have past ties to the industry they are studying.
As to the election comment, I don’t think it is like fixing an election at all unless when a survivor, for example, is telling their story they are so pissed that they omit anything positive and embellish their story in an effort to make the program appear as bad as possible. Then maybe I could see your point. But how many people here do you think would be anti-program enough to spin a bias into their story? I don’t think it would be any more biased then a story from a kid who did well in a program.
As far as research facilities go, corporations pay these research firms to conduct research on the effectiveness of what they do. This is done everyday on thousands of corporations. Other than getting the government to pick up the tab I don’t know who else would work for free. You worked for free when you conducted your study on Facebook but like you said you yourself must be biased because you have connections to the industry so your results need to be tossed out also because the questions may have been biased and the population wasn’t random enough possibly?
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" ---Obviously the school prescreens the participating "subjects" with their opinions already in mind and picked specifically for those reasons, and they also provide the criteria in which the researcher will report on... there is just so much room for tampering that there is no way I could really take any outcome as an absolute FACT.
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I have never seen where this has been documented or written about. Where did you get this info?
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" --- well I'll just conclude with this, unless there is a comprehensive study done, not only on the industry but the underlying psychological methods used in these programs I believe it would be foolish for any of us to take anything else seriously, and especially naive to assume that the kind of marketing scam they are referring to are actual "facts". Actually, thats pretty absurd. Lol
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So based on your conclusion there isn’t anything we can believe because we are all biased and we shouldn’t take any of what we hear about programs seriously until a proper study is conducted, i.e. Everyone is pushing their own personal story.
So, in my opinion, until a proper study “is” agreed upon by people here and performed we need to rely on the studies that are made available, the kids accounts of their time spent inside a program and feedback from parents who had kids go through the process.
I think this is where we are at right now. We just all need to decide which venues are the most reliable and base our decisions on them. This is probably an area where we can most closely agree.
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Awake:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---From the doctors who conducted the Framingham heart study to the person on fornits telling of their own experience inside a program. Each person will be biased by their personal experiences and ties to the subject at hand. According to many peoples logic, who have responded here on fornits regarding studies, heart studies should be conducted by people who are not connected to the medical field and have no medical experience at all.
Do you think studies of the teen help industry should be conducted by people who don’t have any knowledge of what they do?
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No that is your logic that you run to. The major difference that you seem to have a hard time keeping in context is that
people in heart studies study hearts. The therapists (or people simply acting like them) in programs proclaim to be experts in how to be 'you'. They think they know how to tell you correctly be yourself. You want to take the 'you' out of self evaluation. You blame personal bias for distorting a viewpoint on a proffession that is focused on the idea of 'individual' and 'self'.
Don't you see how your justifications are in error?
or in your own words, 'Do you think studies of the teen help industry should be conducted by people who don’t have any knowledge of what they do? '
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Awake" ---No that is your logic that you run to. The major difference that you seem to have a hard time keeping in context is that
people in heart studies study hearts.
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Agreed … “people in heart studies study hearts “ and people (in research firms) who conduct studies for programs study Programs. They don’t work for programs, they work for research firms. Some may have a background working in a program the same as the doctors that study hearts may have a background in the particular field of medicine.
--- Quote ---The therapists (or people simply acting like them) in programs proclaim to be experts in how to be 'you'. They think they know how to tell you correctly be yourself. You want to take the 'you' out of self evaluation. You blame personal bias for distorting a viewpoint on a proffession that is focused on the idea of 'individual' and 'self'.
Don't you see how your justifications are in error?
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No, Not sure how this ties in with “Study Results” or the research firms. The research firms look at the “results” of a business and measure their output. They don’t work with the children to try to help them or perform therapy on them. This would alter the study results. The same as the people studying hearts are not going to interfere with the doctor patient relationship and suggest a patient exercise more. They just focus on the study itself. I think you confused one of the concepts I laid out.
--- Quote ---or in your own words, 'Do you think studies of the teen help industry should be conducted by people who don’t have any knowledge of what they do? '
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Yes, I think we agree here, I don’t think you would want people with no background in the industry doing a study on it the same as you wouldn’t want a person without any medical background performing a heart study. It is helpful to have some knowledge of what the firm they are studying does.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" ---I would like to get some clarification on this "research study" subject.
Forgive me for being a bit out of the loop here... I'm reminded of this topic but can't place the name of the school that did this study. Maybe you can fill in that blank and I'll go read into it before I give you my personal opinion
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FemanonFatal, Here is one of the Studies that was being referred to in the earlier post:
Between August 2003 and January 2006, Aspen Education Group participated in the nation's first large-scale study of its kind, measuring the effectiveness of Aspen's private residential programs for teens and their families. The study collected survey responses, both at program admission and then again at discharge, from 993 young people ages 13-18, enrolled in Aspen's residential programs. The study also collected responses from their parents or guardians. The following are highlights that might prove valuable in evaluating your decision to enroll your child in a private residential program.
8 out of 10 teens who came to Aspen residential programs previously participated in individual and/or group therapy.
The majority of teens entering the program were experiencing emotional problems that minimized the individual’s own control of their feelings. Teens were often experiencing high levels of:
Anxiety
Depression
Attention Problems
One Year After Discharge
Teens and parents both reported that the emotional issues the teen experienced were normal. In other words, they were behaving just like any other typical teenager.
Link to Study
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