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Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---Whooter (John Reuben),
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I asked you in the above thread, "Can you say, with one hundred percent certainty, your collaborative partners don't have a track record of abuse?"
Personally, I don't have a problem with your cause rather STICC's collaborative partners who have a track record of abuse.
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Joel, I think many people here would concur that I don’t mind answering people’s questions and I don’t shy away from controversy. If I were this person John Reuben I would happily answer your question. But I really don’t have the information to respond to you.
I do agree with you and I dont have a problem with this mans cause either. On the surface it looks genuine.
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Ursus:
All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[/list]
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200601.txt[/list]
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[/list]
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200601.txt[/list]
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Wow, Ursus, thats a big round about way of saying you think I am this John Reuben guy too. Although it does play into Gingers Goebbels comment with the Nazi party theme. At one time I was thought to be woodbury for a few years, then an Aspen Director in Utah, then Peter H. in Virginia (Ed consultant), a partner for Hidden lake Academy (that was funny for awhile).. Deborah thought I was Rudy Bentz for aboput a year and then there were a few others and now John Reuben. I am flattered that my knowledge of the industry has progressed to the point that I am now considered a philanthropist.
You have shown your allegiance to Ginger by your attempts in burying her words and helping to push them back a few pages. If she were my friend I would be embarrassed for her too, would try to make others believe that her comments were out of character and do the same thing you are doing. You are a good person, Ursus, but you dont need to defend her, she is a big girl. I never said she was closed minded. I just warned her that labeling people because of their point of view was dangerous and the best way to avoid being isolated is to open up to more than one point of view.
Just let the information flow freely, be honest and let people choose for themselves!
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Inculcated:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Just let the information flow freely, be honest and let people choose for themselves!...
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Okay, let’s start by having you answer the following:
Which programs meet your standards of approval?
What are the criteria by which you judge a program?
--- Quote from: "Whooter-08 Dec 2009, 04:50" ---I take the unpopular point of view in the argument sometimes to play "devils advocate". I see myself as adding balance to a very biased and one-sided forum.
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Like a guy hovering over an incest survivors forum with an intent to iterate over and over again comments about Freud having abandoned Seduction Theory would be anymore warmly received by the participating survivors ?
--- Quote from: "Whooter-08 Dec 2009, 04:50" ---I believe in looking at study results coming out of the industry where many here do not want to discuss facts and instead would rather put more energy into discrediting them then reading them and getting out what they can.
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Which studies were those again? Does the “getting out what they can” necessitate turning off critical thinking and not taking into account factors like how the study was run or who funded the study etc.?
--- Quote from: "Whooter-08 Dec 2009, 04:50" --- I point out the successes that programs have produced and as a result am called a shill for the industry. I am received by being called a liar, troll, industry shill, EdCon, Aspen employee, John Reuben, Peter Forne, Alan Newman, Dirk Grey, Nazi……… But I am just a program parent.
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You’re more than that. You’re a guy who has for years tenaciously clung to this survivor’s forum in the role of devil's advocate. So creepy.
--- Quote from: "Whooter-08 Dec 2009, 04:50 " ---People who are opened minded and dont mind a balanced and honest debate dont seem to have a problem with me.
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Which brings us neatly back to:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Just let the information flow freely, be honest and let people choose for themselves!...
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Okay, let’s start by having you answer the following:
Which programs meet your standards of approval?
What are the criteria by which you judge a program?
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