Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---Okay, let’s start by having you answer the following:
Which programs meet your standards of approval?
What are the criteria by which you judge a program?
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No thanks, we tried this approach. Also, Look at how "Studies" are received here on the forum.
--- Quote --- Like a guy hovering over an incest survivors forum with an intent to iterate over and over again comments about Freud having abandoned Seduction Theory would be anymore warmly received by the participating survivors ?
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If the incest survivors where selling the idea that all parents have sex with their kids then yes I would hover and argue that point with incest survivors.
--- Quote --- Which studies were those again? Does the “getting out what they can” necessitate turning off critical thinking and not taking into account factors like how the study was run or who funded the study etc.?
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If you were new here I would re post them. But we all know the studies are valid but rejected here on fornits because of the outcome, let’s not fool each other. There are plenty of studies which show the effectiveness of various programs. Even though some of the studies were conducted by research facilities people here rejected them because researchers within the firm had prior experience with the industry they were studying. If you were going to fund a study of your business would you choose a research firm who had no experience with what you do or one that was familiar with your type of business?
I dont think you could find any research firm that doesnt employ people with experience in the area of the research they are conducting. We all know this but I think it helps everyone here justify ignoring the facts and maintain a white knuckle grip on the idea that programs never help anybody.
--- Quote --- You’re more than that. You’re a guy who has for years tenaciously clung to this survivor’s forum in the role of devil's advocate. So creepy.
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Not as creepy as those who log in and say they are survivors day after day.
--- Quote --- Okay, let’s start by having you answer the following:
Which programs meet your standards of approval?
What are the criteria by which you judge a program?
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I think what may be helpful is to start rating the programs on a scale of 1 to 10 so that parents who read the forum can gain a better understanding of which programs to avoid and which programs have had very little complaints. The survivors on this forum may be in a better position to compile this info and it would be more pro-active than just trying to convince people that teenagers don’t have any problems and turn a blind eye to the situation.
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Troll Control:
Don't forget who Whooter really is. He clearly has a financial stake in the TTI and has admitted it many times over the years only to come back to deny it now. His "I'm a just regular parent" meme is false and hackneyed. Click on the links to Whooter's posts in the above-linked thread to see in his own words that he's part of the TTI and not just some "concerned parent." That assertion is laughable.
Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Whooter:
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--- Quote ---Whooter wrote:
I think what may be helpful is to start rating the programs on a scale of 1 to 10 so that parents who read the forum can gain a better understanding of which programs to avoid and which programs have had very little complaints. The survivors on this forum may be in a better position to compile this info and it would be more pro-active than just trying to convince people that teenagers don’t have any problems and turn a blind eye to the situation.
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What criteria would you use to rate a program?
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The rating system would have to evolve and include input from many survivors who have had experiences from many places. I see maybe a rating system like an A thru Z system or the 1 thru 10 that I mentioned earlier.
It could start at:
A – No negative reports filed
B – Some Undocumented complaints
C – Numerous complaints filed, there have been lawsuits filed with no findings
D – Documented Reports of Abuse
F – Closed down/ under state investigation due to abuse.
I think this would be easier to understand, Maintain and expand upon versus a “star rating system”. A star rating system implies (to me anyway) that they are all good programs ... just some are better than others.
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Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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