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Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
Whooter:
--- Quote ---Fornits cannot "pass judgement" in any way that enforces a law or punishment. Everyone on this board has the right to make their own judgements based on what others say, and to examine the facts.
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I think it is one of those rare times where we all agree.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I think you know that was my point. If people accuse programs of abuse etc. posters here don’t jump in with the same phrase: “Just because somebody is accused of something does not mean they are guilty.”
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You wrote "A graduate was caught lieing about them" and "It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program". Those are both statements of fact (false statements of fact at that). "Abuse" is a matter of opinion, one that is clearly and loudly elaborated on. An opinion cannot be proven true of false and thus guilt or innocence is in the eyes of whoever agrees of disagrees with the charges. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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Same thing. If a kid says the program abused me or I was raped or beaten then this is just hearsay until the program or staff are proven guilty. The program or accused should get a chance to defend themselves before judgement is passed either way.
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Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.
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Well they have reason to check out the people who are accusing them. It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program.
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Please stop pretending like things have been established that have no been. Cite your sources.
--- Quote ---Look at AARC for example, where a graduate was caught lieing about them.
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Looking to see evidence of that. Source?
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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/ ... tml#medium
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--- Quote ---Lunn said she was forced to retract the allegation in writing or face being demoted … taking even longer to get out of the program.
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What I see there from that link, is a program silencing their accuser by pressuring her to retract her statement with threats.
This does not bode well for the children transferred from MBA to other Aspen programs. It may well be out of concern for the possibility such witness intimidation that the DHS has only provided redacted copies of statements.
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Man I hope some of the MBA stuff goes to court. I would love for this to get more exposure—twenty years of abuse. I know for some states even if the abuse was a long time ago statue of limitations is 3 years from when you discover what you went through was abuse. It would shine a light on what past abusive staff are doing now, like Tim Brace at Carlbrook.
Basedonfacts:
Is the MBA program being shut down because of abuse or because of a few disgruntled spoiled a$$ brats that were for once in their lives told NO?
I find it humorous that this school is being shut down and very little facts haev been presented anywhere except for some "shall remain nameless" shrink who thinks he knows whats best.
This school will re-open and the people behind trying to slam the program and the people runnign it better call their lawyers.
The only disgrace here is a program that is doing things to help straighten out a few troubled kids is suffering based on the words of a few that are clearly unsubstantiated.
Oh and by the way, "Bans" are put in place because kids with the inability to behave and do what they are told cant handle rules and regulations. See, these are the same kids we read about as they head off to jail for committing violent crimes.
Anonymous:
F.U. TROLL!
Basedonfacts:
Again "guest" share with us why you feel the need to be anonymous
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