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Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
psy:
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Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.
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Well they have reason to check out the people who are accusing them. It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program.
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Please stop pretending like things have been established that have no been. Cite your sources.
--- Quote ---Look at AARC for example, where a graduate was caught lieing about them.
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Looking to see evidence of that. Source?
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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/ ... tml#medium
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Just because somebody is accused of something does not mean they are guilty. This is not a program. Thankfully, outside of the twilight zone there is due process and a person can defend themselves and win.
Now of course you're going to bring up the fact that AARC shoudl be given that same benefit of the doubt. I can agree with that. Hopefully in time AARC will fine itself on the receiving end of a lawsuit and/or criminal prosecution. When that happens, these accusations of abuse, which have been substantiated by many people, can be used to finally hold the program accountable. Until that time, people are free to make up their own minds based on the allegations that are out there, and personally, I think those leveled against AARC are far more grave than those against Chrisine.
Whooter:
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Until this becomes a criminal case the right to an attempt to malign their accusers should be withheld from them, but sadly when defending the indefensible plenty of attorneys will rack up the billable hours in an attempt to do just that.
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Well they have reason to check out the people who are accusing them. It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program.
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Please stop pretending like things have been established that have no been. Cite your sources.
--- Quote ---Look at AARC for example, where a graduate was caught lieing about them.
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Looking to see evidence of that. Source?
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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/ ... tml#medium
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Just because somebody is accused of something does not mean they are guilty. This is not a program. Thankfully, outside of the twilight zone there is due process and a person can defend themselves and win.
Now of course you're going to bring up the fact that AARC shoudl be given that same benefit of the doubt. I can agree with that. Hopefully in time AARC will fine itself on the receiving end of a lawsuit and/or criminal prosecution. When that happens, these accusations of abuse, which have been substantiated by many people, can be used to finally hold the program accountable. Until that time, people are free to make up their own minds based on the allegations that are out there, and personally, I think those leveled against AARC are far more grave than those against Chrisine.
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I think you know that was my point. If people accuse programs of abuse etc. posters here don’t jump in with the same phrase: “Just because somebody is accused of something does not mean they are guilty.”
psy:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I think you know that was my point. If people accuse programs of abuse etc. posters here don’t jump in with the same phrase: “Just because somebody is accused of something does not mean they are guilty.”
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You wrote "A graduate was caught lieing about them" and "It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program". Those are both statements of fact (false statements of fact at that). "Abuse" is a matter of opinion, one that is clearly and loudly elaborated on. An opinion cannot be proven true of false and thus guilt or innocence is in the eyes of whoever agrees of disagrees with the charges. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I think you know that was my point. If people accuse programs of abuse etc. posters here don’t jump in with the same phrase: “Just because somebody is accused of something does not mean they are guilty.”
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You wrote "A graduate was caught lieing about them" and "It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program". Those are both statements of fact (false statements of fact at that). "Abuse" is a matter of opinion, one that is clearly and loudly elaborated on. An opinion cannot be proven true of false and thus guilt or innocence is in the eyes of whoever agrees of disagrees with the charges. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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Same thing. If a kid says the program abused me or I was raped or beaten then this is just hearsay until the program or staff are proven guilty. The program or accused should get a chance to defend themselves before judgement is passed either way.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I think you know that was my point. If people accuse programs of abuse etc. posters here don’t jump in with the same phrase: “Just because somebody is accused of something does not mean they are guilty.”
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You wrote "A graduate was caught lieing about them" and "It has already been established that people are willing to lie openly to discredit a program". Those are both statements of fact (false statements of fact at that). "Abuse" is a matter of opinion, one that is clearly and loudly elaborated on. An opinion cannot be proven true of false and thus guilt or innocence is in the eyes of whoever agrees of disagrees with the charges. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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Same thing. If a kid says the program abused me or I was raped or beaten then this is just hearsay until the program or staff are proven guilty. The program or accused should get a chance to defend themselves before judgement is passed either way.
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Fornits cannot "pass judgement" in any way that enforces a law or punishment. Everyone on this board has the right to make their own judgements based on what others say, and to examine the facts. Thats why I preffer facts over opinions, like this one
http://ficanetwork.net/death-row-serial ... d-to-cedu/
MBA... a direct Cedu spin off. Make your own choices parents. Is this a chance you want to take with your child?
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