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Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
blombrowski:
--- Quote from: "Basedonfacts" ---Oh and by the way, "Bans" are put in place because kids with the inability to behave and do what they are told cant handle rules and regulations. See, these are the same kids we read about as they head off to jail for committing violent crimes.
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That you would come on here and defend the use of "Bans", which at last check even the most prominent educational consultants in this industry were trying to distance themselves from as an acceptable practice , either tells me that:
a. You're a disgruntled former MBA/CEDU empolyee
b. You're a program following graduate of a CEDU program/CEDU clome
c. You're an apologist for child abuse (or if you prefer the violation of the human rights of youth)
d. All or any of the above
Anonymous:
Shameful really is your response that I woudl condone child abuse. You sir are a total f'ing clown to even make a statement like that.
I went through a program and it was the best thign that happened to me. Maybe if we werent so concerned about hurting peoples feelings and being PC maybe we would raise a better brand of teens nowadays.
I am sure you have a kid that went through a program and know all about it. I would certianly hope so otherwise close your mouth and get your facts straight.
blombrowski:
--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---a. You're a disgruntled former MBA/CEDU empolyee
b. You're a program following graduate of a CEDU program/CEDU clome
c. You're an apologist for child abuse (or if you prefer the violation of the human rights of youth)
d. All or any of the above
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Guest, you might want to work on your reading comprehension. Note, I said a,b,c, or d. From the content of your reply, I would have to say that (b) would be the answer that applies to you. So maybe you're not an apologist for child abuse. But let's say that c. does apply to you. Note the parenthesis in answer c. So perhaps what I call child abuse is what you would consider what a spoiled brat deserves. What I consider child abuse (i.e. punishing a young person by denying that young person the right to speak for extended periods of time) is considered a violation of human rights by the United Nations. If that makes me politically correct so be it. If you think what is contained in the Declaration of Human Rights or the Covenant on the RIghts of the Child is bullshit, I guess we know where we stand then. Maybe you think that minors have no human rights, like the right to not be detained against their will without due process. I guess we have a difference of opinion then.
Anonymous:
Basedonfacts, what you consider acceptable is, in fact, unacceptable to society and to the law. In addition, the Lifestep LGAT marathon therapy sessions (which were basically CEDU Propheets, with minor changes) are a model that I contend, if the scripts were made public, would astound any mental health professional with any sort of training whatsoever with their ineffectiveness and potential for grave and lasting psychological harm.
Basedonfacts:
Until either of you actually sit through one of the sessions and go through the programs, I suggest you stop basing your points on conjecture and other peoples opinions.
Yes I did go through the program at Hilltop in 1987-1989. I can safely attest that had I not gone through this program, I would surely be dead by now. That is something that is not taught in the program or perpetrated through rumor or conjecture, rather it is fact.
Additionally, if you consider what these programs are doing as child abuse, then I really would wonder what your definition is of child abuse.
Additionally, teens and young adults are brighter and more intelligent today than they were 20 years ago. With more access to information they should be. But that doesnt mean they have the right to do whatever it is that they please.
I raise my kids to know the difference between right and wrong. To respect others and themselves as well. Many of the people that are in these programs or were in these programs have no respect for themselves, authority, their parents, or even the law. How might you suggest we deal with those types? A hug? A pat on teh back and say its ok promise you wont do it again?
For every program that is out there that violates the commons laws in place that govern these institutions, there are programs out there and people running them with the very best of intentions. To make blanket statements like this is child abuse or that I condone child abuse is flat out insane.
So yes, I would fall into category "B" as someone who completed the program. Dont regret it for a minute and will defend the people that helped me to the grave.
I suggest rather than being judgemental and base your information on uninformed sources, try attending a rap or a propheet and see what really happens. You might just learn something. Otherwise, dont EVER suggest anyone condones child abuse. If you wanna bring a comment like that to me, I am sure I would love to meet and discuss it with you personally.
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