For the record, I did NOT write the above. It appears the poster is so weak of mind and evidence he or she feels the need to impersonate me to try to prove a point. Obviously, this person has conceded that I have credibility and he/she doesn't, or he/she wouldn't be trying to convince people he/she is me. Just goes to show this person has no credibility.
I worked for Canyon and it's an "inside business" creating marketing materials for programs, mostly Aspen programs. Most Aspen programs don't even offer any treatment and all of the ones Canyon looked into provided no therapy or treatment plan, which was the concern of legitimate researchers on our staff. It quickly became clear that this exercise was purely for marketing and sales, not science, so roughly 75% of Canyon employees resigned due to this ethical problem.
It didn't stop Canyon from collecting AEG's money, plus "royalties" for every kid sent to Aspen where the intake revealed the parents relied on this information. Canyon is essentially making referral fees or lasting royalties based on Aspen enrollment, so of course Canyon will make Aspen look successful, even if the data don't suggest that at all.
Ellen was the director of an Aspen program and failed to disclose tht fact to us or to critics of the study. It's a massive red flag in research science.
I posted this, but am again being trolled by someone trying to impersonate me. Is this how 'program parents' behave here? I've been on other forums where they are respectful even if they disagree. This person represents the worst type of person: the ones who only seek to stifle dialog, like the one everyone calls 'The Who' here.
Someone before said the guy trolling me is him. If so, why doesn't he just make some sort of factual argument to rebut what I've said instead of playing games like a little kid?
I worked at Canyon Research, so just ask if you want to know the truth about their business. this other person pretending to be me obviously is some sort of marketer wanting to change the subject when it gets ugly, just like at Canyon. Hmmm...
I'm not going to engage in baby games with this John Reuben guy. I wrote the above, but none of the other posts and now that guy has made a username of MY NAME. That still does not make him me. He obviously knows nothing about Canyon and doesn't know any of the people there. I do. But you people can handle your own trolls here, I have better things to do with my time than engage'The Who' in juvenile games. But, just so everyone is clear, I DO NOT have a username and the person posting as username "Mark DeGroot" is not me.
Thanks for sharing what you know about this so-called study, Mark. Industry people hate it when insiders spill the beans about what they don't want to become public. They turn on, and eat, their own with vigor. It's a sign that they know they're losing ground or have lost the argument.
This TheWho fellow that has created a log in name with your name is typical of this. You can see he abandoned rational debate and went right on to ad hominems and impersonating you. He couldn't refute your information, nor does he know anything about Canyon, or even studies for that matter. He's basically mindless, only present to disrupt. All he wants to make sure of is that nothing gets discussed.
Impersonating you is the way he deals with the fact that he lost this argument. But don't feel special. He lost this argument several years ago to a woman named Deborah who exposed him as a fraud. He's so venomous and bitter about this that he still brings her up to this day, even though most people don't know who she is, as she hasn't posted in years.
Programs are hurting. The economy is weak and killing their revenue. They have been exposed legally in many states and have lost millions upon millions in lawsuits. They're shutting down left and right. And places like Fornits expose the workers who help to break the law and hurt kids so that they can't work with kids if employers check.
Like the child abuser who recently got hired and fired from a school district. He was exposed by Fornits to show his criminal history and outstanding charges of battering a child and he was fired right away. This incenses people like TheWho that support child abusers and even refer children to be abused by them, like he did his own two sons. The older one is dead now from an overdose. The younger one said in his groups at HLA that he thought his father caused his mother's death. This is one screwed up person you're dealing with here, Mark. Plus he runs a feeder group that uses government juvenile justice money to send delinquents to Aspen Education Group programs.
He's deeply invested and will fight dishonestly, tooth and nail, to keep his piece of the pie. He is actually the only poster that disagrees with you on this thread, but he spends a lot of time posting as various people and trolling anyone who brings substance, as you did by exposing Canyon as the fraud that it truly is.
