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Aspen Education Group deceptively markets short term invalid

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Whooter:

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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Still not even one link outside fornits or cafety?

Does anyone really think that someone with no back ground in residential treatment, no understanding of what is involved or what the kids go through on a daily basis, What type of kids are there and the type of environment.  You think this person would be qualified to design and implement a clinical study to show effectiveness on a place he/she has no experience in.. what questions to ask etc.

Or another question… who would be more qualified to interview a kid who just left a program…. Someone with no experience or link to the industry (like you would like) or someone from fornits?  Who would ask the most appropriate questions?.

see my point?
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Actually an independent study would be best done by a group totally independent of the mental health field.  It's merely collecting data;  Behrens company sells its services to programs - how can you not expect her to not back them?
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Its more than that.  They need to know what questions to ask and understand the process they are testing.  How could non doctors develop a test to screen heart patients on various heart medications and various types of treatments and advice... why would you deny a heart doctor to be part of the team?

Whooter:
So since she is not "presently" part of the industry then the study can be considered independent.....

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Guest" ---So since she is not "presently" part of the industry then the study can be considered independent.....
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No.  Her company:  Canyon Research and Consulting, a company that provides consulting and training services to mental health treatment programs and providers.

Her company depends on programs.  She is not independent.  She is part of the industry.

'nuff said, kid killer.

Whooter:

--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---Precisely!  Anyone who has actually worked with this industry would automatically disqualify themselves for an independent study.  Any competent research group, using standard methods, would be able to independently conduct a proper study if they were worth their salt to begin with.  It is not entirely unreasonable to consult with people in the industry when conducting research, but to have those who are in the industry conducting the research would be unreasonable.

This has historically been a huge problem in science.  Scientists who have a vested interest or desire for a certain outcome, finding exactly what they were looking for.  That is why independent peer-reviewed appraisals are so important.
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Yes, I can see your point.  If Ellen was presently working for a wilderness program and running the testing then it would be a direct conflict of interest.  That is why I am looking for any present relationship that she has with Aspen and there doesnt seem to be any.

RMA Survivor:
You're foundation for your arguments keeps getting weaker and weaker with every post.  Obviously any connection, past or present to the industry taints her independence and neutrality.  And if she worked for Aspen specifically, that would negate all independence.

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