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Aspen Education Group deceptively markets short term invalid
Anonymous:
I apologize for not being able to find it in the thread if it's here, but who paid Behren's company to conduct the study? Behrens may not work for Aspen currently, but is Aspen one of her company's customers? She does sell her services to mental health treatment...oh, but that would leave Aspen out, wouldn't it?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---You're foundation for your arguments keeps getting weaker and weaker with every post. Obviously any connection, past or present to the industry taints her independence and neutrality. And if she worked for Aspen specifically, that would negate all independence.
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Since the first post we havent established that she works for the industry (a post outside fornits/cafety). So far the study is considered independent. Independent is one of the criteria that we all agree on.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---You're foundation for your arguments keeps getting weaker and weaker with every post. Obviously any connection, past or present to the industry taints her independence and neutrality. And if she worked for Aspen specifically, that would negate all independence.
--- End quote ---
Since the first post we havent established that she works for the industry (a post outside fornits/cafety). So far the study is considered independent. Independent is one of the criteria that we all agree on.
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Canyon Research and Consulting, a company that provides consulting and training services to mental health treatment programs and providers.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---You're foundation for your arguments keeps getting weaker and weaker with every post. Obviously any connection, past or present to the industry taints her independence and neutrality. And if she worked for Aspen specifically, that would negate all independence.
--- End quote ---
Since the first post we havent established that she works for the industry (a post outside fornits/cafety). So far the study is considered independent. Independent is one of the criteria that we all agree on.
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Would you consider a study conducted by Lon Woodbury to be independent, Roob? Because by your critereria Lon Woodbury would be independent: he doesn't currently work for a program or the industry.
RMA Survivor:
Yes, keep in mind that independence is only one thing we agree upon. We also require a valid study. And we'd also like to know how the study was conducted. Without knowing how it was conducted there is no way to validate it's accuracy. As you are using this study to claim that somehow it makes Aspen a valid program that actually helps kids rather than causes damage, or simply does nothing for them, it is important to show how the study was conducted.
So don't think that showing her independence alone is all that is needed to suddenly validate the study itself.
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