Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Long-Term Outcome Studies
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---And my purpose in stating that 90 to 95 percent will show a 40 to 45 percent improvement was meant to convey that such a statement, without some kind of context, some basis in reality, without showing methods used to reach such a statement, are therefore bogus. And you validated my point.
You post "articles" about Aspen conducting studies, yet we see no methods used for reaching their conclusions. Thus the argument is invalid by the very lack of details regarding how such conclusion were made. You might have solid, unwavering support for everything Aspen related, but some of us do not. And because Aspen has no employees working for them with the qualifications needed to conduct studies, research or make valid conclusions on any topic, including what toilet paper has been favored by the majority of students over a twenty year time period... Everything they claim is suspect.
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I have seen it stated that Aspen doesn’t provide treatment or have licensed people. But there isnt anything to back that up. All we see is a lawsuit from Northstar but no reference to other programs, so the methods of drawing conclusions can be consistent and all statements are suspect unless followed up with evidence.
As long as we are clear on both sides of the issue.
Troll Control:
http://http://www.northstarcenter.com/drugtreatmentterms.html#honorcode
Hmmmm...Whooter claimed DJ tried to "blur the line between therapist and counselor" but Northstar's VERY OWN WEBSITE states that the terms "counselor" and "therapist" are "used interchangeably" and that the term "counseling" is "used interchangeably" with the term "therapy."
Looks like Whooter is caught with his pants down again. His own beloved Aspen program admits what DJ said, but Whooter denies it. Now Whooter wants us to believe him over the program's own words again. I'll go with what the facility says in cold print rather than a troll (Whooter).
We all know it stings, Whooter. And that your credibilty is damaged beyond repair. But don't lash out at us, it's Aspen that discredited you, not us. Your anger should be reserved for them, not us. It's hard to deal with for you. I understand. But we're patient and once you can admit the truth to yourself and to others, you will heal from this emotional damage Aspen inflicted on you by admitting the truth. Try to keep your chin up and take your medicine like a man. Maybe some people would respect you for trying to tell the truth for the first time in your Fronits career.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
I have seen it stated that Aspen doesn’t provide treatment or have licensed people. But there isnt anything to back that up. All we see is a lawsuit from Northstar but no reference to other programs, so the methods of drawing conclusions can be consistent and all statements are suspect unless followed up with evidence.
As long as we are clear on both sides of the issue.
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I have something from court documents which may help:
2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat (Director of North Star) was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.
So we can all see that Aspen Education Group provides treatment and their therapists (or counselors if you like) are licensed.
Court Records
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---http://http://www.northstarcenter.com/drugtreatmentterms.html#honorcode
Hmmmm...Whooter claimed DJ tried to "blur the line between therapist and counselor" but Northstar's VERY OWN WEBSITE states that the terms "counselor" and "therapist" are "used interchangeably" and that the term "counseling" is "used interchangeably" with the term "therapy."
Looks like Whooter is caught with his pants down again. His own beloved Aspen program admits what DJ said, but Whooter denies it. Now Whooter wants us to believe him over the program's own words again. I'll go with what the facility says in cold print rather than a troll (Whooter).
We all know it stings, Whooter. And that your credibilty is damaged beyond repair. But don't lash out at us, it's Aspen that discredited you, not us. Your anger should be reserved for them, not us. It's hard to deal with for you. I understand. But we're patient and once you can admit the truth to yourself and to others, you will heal from this emotional damage Aspen inflicted on you by admitting the truth. Try to keep your chin up and take your medicine like a man. Maybe some people would respect you for trying to tell the truth for the first time in your Fronits career.
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So, when they say therapist=counselor and counseling=therapy on their website (that link above goes right to it) are they lying to the public, i.e. advertising falsely? If not, they lied in court.
I wonder why if Aspen can admit that they don't provide treatment that TheWho keeps saying they do. they just said they didn't. I believe the court records over TheWho's trolling.
Whooter:
Whenever there is confusion I like to go back to the source. The courts and the lawyers for Aspen and the Pences Lawyers all agree that Aspen Provides "Treatment" and that they employ "Licensed Therapists (or counselors if you like)". Lets take another look:
I have something from court documents which may help:
2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat (Director of North Star) was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.
So we can all see that Aspen Education Group provides treatment and their therapists (or counselors if you like) are licensed.
Court Records[/quote]
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