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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---http://http://www.northstarcenter.com/drugtreatmentterms.html#honorcode
Hmmmm...Whooter claimed DJ tried to "blur the line between therapist and counselor" but Northstar's VERY OWN WEBSITE states that the terms "counselor" and "therapist" are "used interchangeably" and that the term "counseling" is "used interchangeably" with the term "therapy."
Looks like Whooter is caught with his pants down again. His own beloved Aspen program admits what DJ said, but Whooter denies it. Now Whooter wants us to believe him over the program's own words again. I'll go with what the facility says in cold print rather than a troll (Whooter).
We all know it stings, Whooter. And that your credibilty is damaged beyond repair. But don't lash out at us, it's Aspen that discredited you, not us. Your anger should be reserved for them, not us. It's hard to deal with for you. I understand. But we're patient and once you can admit the truth to yourself and to others, you will heal from this emotional damage Aspen inflicted on you by admitting the truth. Try to keep your chin up and take your medicine like a man. Maybe some people would respect you for trying to tell the truth for the first time in your Fronits career.
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So, when they say therapist=counselor and counseling=therapy on their website (that link above goes right to it) are they lying to the public, i.e. advertising falsely? If not, they lied in court.
I wonder why if Aspen can admit that they don't provide treatment that TheWho keeps saying they do. they just said they didn't. I believe the court records over TheWho's trolling.
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I like to go right to the defendant's website that clearly states all of their counselors are therapists and all couseling sessions are therapy. If they do it without a license, they're criminals and should be jailed. TheWho is really bent out of shape that Aspen admits this. He wants to keep denying it, but what's the sense. Aspen admitted they provide no treatment. What's done is done.
Whooter:
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I like to go right to the defendant's website that clearly states all of their counselors are therapists and all couseling sessions are therapy. If they do it without a license, they're criminals and should be jailed. TheWho is really bent out of shape that Aspen admits this. He wants to keep denying it, but what's the sense. Aspen admitted they provide no treatment. What's done is done.
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The main thing is that the courts feel that Aspen provides treatment and employs licensed counselors (or Therapists if you like)
The courts looked into it and here is what they had to say:
2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.
So we can all see that Aspen Education Group provides treatment and their therapists (or counselors if you like) are licensed.
Court Records
Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---http://http://www.northstarcenter.com/drugtreatmentterms.html#honorcode
Hmmmm...Whooter claimed DJ tried to "blur the line between therapist and counselor" but Northstar's VERY OWN WEBSITE states that the terms "counselor" and "therapist" are "used interchangeably" and that the term "counseling" is "used interchangeably" with the term "therapy."
Looks like Whooter is caught with his pants down again. His own beloved Aspen program admits what DJ said, but Whooter denies it. Now Whooter wants us to believe him over the program's own words again. I'll go with what the facility says in cold print rather than a troll (Whooter).
We all know it stings, Whooter. And that your credibilty is damaged beyond repair. But don't lash out at us, it's Aspen that discredited you, not us. Your anger should be reserved for them, not us. It's hard to deal with for you. I understand. But we're patient and once you can admit the truth to yourself and to others, you will heal from this emotional damage Aspen inflicted on you by admitting the truth. Try to keep your chin up and take your medicine like a man. Maybe some people would respect you for trying to tell the truth for the first time in your Fronits career.
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So, when they say therapist=counselor and counseling=therapy on their website (that link above goes right to it) are they lying to the public, i.e. advertising falsely? If not, they lied in court.
I wonder why if Aspen can admit that they don't provide treatment that TheWho keeps saying they do. they just said they didn't. I believe the court records over TheWho's trolling.
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I like to go right to the defendant's website that clearly states all of their counselors are therapists and all couseling sessions are therapy. If they do it without a license, they're criminals and should be jailed. TheWho is really bent out of shape that Aspen admits this. He wants to keep denying it, but what's the sense. Aspen admitted they provide no treatment. What's done is done.
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Excellent Point, guest. It's all over save for the crying, which Whooter is currently doing.
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I like to go right to the defendant's website that clearly states all of their counselors are therapists and all couseling sessions are therapy. If they do it without a license, they're criminals and should be jailed. TheWho is really bent out of shape that Aspen admits this. He wants to keep denying it, but what's the sense. Aspen admitted they provide no treatment. What's done is done.
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The main thing is that the courts feel that Aspen provides treatment and employs licensed counselors (or Therapists if you like)
The courts looked into it and here is what they had to say:
2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.
So we can all see that Aspen Education Group provides treatment and their therapists (or counselors if you like) are licensed.
Court Records
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ONE licensed member out of a whole friggin' team of what Aspen likes to call "counselors" or "therapists" is NOT the same thing as a team of licensed counselors or therapists.
Stop fudging by twisting the semantics, Whooter. This is a false and misleading statement:
"So we can all see that Aspen Education Group provides treatment and their therapists (or counselors if you like) are licensed."[/list]
Just because one member of Mathew Pence's treatment team is licensed does not by any stretch of the imagination imply that all are licensed.
In fact, it was found that only one member was licensed, the others were not.
Whooter:
So we agree that Aspen Education Group hires licensed therapists. We also agree that not all staff members are licensed nor need to be. What needs to be established is how many licensed therapists does each school need to have. Is it one?...two? ten?
If one licensed therapist is sufficient then North Star is in compliance.
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